what im saying is ... that there has been many times where i have swapped amps out either for my self or a customer and it was a noticable change in out put, while only changing rms claimed amps withen 500 watts or so.

so yes... im sayin that it can be noticed by ear... maybe not by everyone.. maybe not in a blind test.. but its not in my mind. i can asure you of that.

and yes i have a termlab that also backs me up. if need be.

And of course you can exchange amplifiers close in power rating and hear a difference. Hell, you can exchange amplifiers rated for the same power and hear a difference. You can exchange two identical amplifiers and hear a difference.

That doesn't mean there was an audible difference in the amplifiers, but rather in the settings. These are two different things completely and should not be confused.

that was more of my point....

like i said if someone used the SAME amp.. only lowered the output by 300 watts i do not think someone could hear the diffreance once power is above the 500 watt range.

Human ears, at sub-bass frequencies especially, are extremely inaccurate.

So here is the question I pose. What is the point in giving your subs as everyone always says if squeezing that extra couple hundred watts in there makes no audible difference? Not trying to argue because I don't know enough about this subject to argue it just curious.

So here is the question I pose. What is the point in giving your subs as everyone always says if squeezing that extra couple hundred watts in there makes no audible difference? Not trying to argue because I don't know enough about this subject to argue it just curious.

For most daily driver systems there really isn't any point. It makes some people feel like they have a bigger dingaling I suppose, and it's "cooler" to say you have 2500w instead of 2kw.

In SPL systems it makes sense to pump every last watt through the system as .1db could be the difference between 1st and 2nd.

But for daily systems......no.

Crap you beat me to it Brad. Completely compensating for lack of manhood is the only answer.

*excluding for competition purposes

So here is the question I pose. What is the point in giving your subs as everyone always says if squeezing that extra couple hundred watts in there makes no audible difference? Not trying to argue because I don't know enough about this subject to argue it just curious.

For most daily driver systems there really isn't any point. It makes some people feel like they have a bigger dingaling I suppose, and it's "cooler" to say you have 2500w instead of 2kw.

In SPL systems it makes sense to pump every last watt through the system as .1db could be the difference between 1st and 2nd.

But for daily systems......no.

Crap you beat me to it Brad. Completely compensating for lack of manhood is the only answer.

*excluding for competition purposes

x3 , so true.