Thing rips. Ended up spending $40 more than what Stefan linked, but only due to a reasonable sale at Microcenter.

AMD A8-6600k 3.9GHz FM Richland and an ASUS F2A55-M motherboard. Add 8 gigs of ram and a Samsung SSD and I know longer want to run my own PC. I have not figured out a good way of mirroring the home automation settings either which makes changing a bitch.

 

Sounds pretty sweet. I don't know if it's worth it or not, but you might be able to lower the fan speed provided the temp is good. Probably through asus cd with drivers and tools, bios, or aftermarket program.

We are without power now and I've got all the windows open enjoying the show. The 75mph winds are done, but the thunder and lightning show is great.

Your example Sean, is one of the 2 times Nikkon beat Canon bad. One is in the studio with the D800, and the other is with the speed of assimilating video.

You would however notice a huge disparity in what happens when you leave a quiet easy setting. I got to live with a Nikon for a bit as my uncle uses it. He just purchased it to have it, doesn't really do much with it, but it's around his neck at some family events. It is frustrating to work in anything but a calm situation. What makes it more interesting is that I used a Nikon before using a Canon.

Until Sony gets much much better glass, I cannot give it the thumbs up. It is also a dog in almost every regard but FPS and the mega pixel number.... and I don't care about having tons of mega pixels.

You are right about the leap frog game, and a lot of the time Canon is a few bucks more. The used market is bigger however, and there is more general support for their products from either Canon updating firmware or the aftermarket comunity upgrading the firmware themselves.

That's ironic. I don't know enough about either brands' models to argue one over the other, but I will say that my father has shot in plenty of stressful situations, IE: hanging out of a helicopter, jumping into a pit with a rhino so it charges you, or weddings, and he uses a Nikon.

We are without power now and I've got all the windows open enjoying the show. The 75mph winds are done, but the thunder and lightning show is great.

I'm jealous. Our stint of storms is always short-lived, and always occurs when I happen to be out of town.

Busy day! Might need to take a break from the madness this weekend and heat to AC!

Okay so 3.4k available for homeymoon..... Have to decide very soon...

What about a cannon 400D?

What about a cannon 400D?

That should be uber cheap. $100 with no lens if that.  I'd personally spend more.

Okay so 3.4k available for homeymoon..... Have to decide very soon...

How many days and does that have to cover EVERYTHING?

5-7 includes flights food and accomadations

What about a cannon 400D?

That should be uber cheap. $100 with no lens if that.  I'd personally spend more.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-Digital-Rebel-Digital-Rebel-XTi-400D-10-1-MP-Digital-SLR-Camera-/221245496722?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item3383425d92

Okay so 3.4k available for homeymoon..... Have to decide very soon...

Should be able to have an enjoyable time.

5-7 includes flights food and accomadations

$1000 flights

$150 * 6 = $900 lodging

$3400 - 1900 = $1500 for food or $200/day

$500 more in flights has nearly $100/day effect on the food

 

I have bought flights to Paris before for $300. I'd start shopping for deals on the flights and then peruse hotels to see if it is do-able.

TIckets to Europe (and everywhere) vary a lot by the time of year.

 

What about a cannon 400D?

That should be uber cheap. $100 with no lens if that.  I'd personally spend more.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canon-EOS-Digital-Rebel-Digital-Rebel-XTi-400D-10-1-MP-Digital-SLR-Camera-/221245496722?pt=Digital_Cameras&hash=item3383425d92

I'd bet that lens would fetch nearly that.  Sad too because it isn't worth it.

 

You need to look for glass that has a camera attached to it, NOT the other way around  I'd look in your CL, there is always a shit ton here locally.

If you HAVE to go zoom, must buy a DSLR, and going Canon I'd potentially look for:

Canon 17-40 f4 L USM

Sigma 24-70 f2.8 EX DG

Canon 24-105 f4 L USM

Canon 24-70 f4 L 

Tamron 24-70 f2.8 

 

May be others, but that list would net you something worth using.  Pretty much whatever they are attached to is fine including the 400d above.

It is going to sell for more than double what you were looking at, but in 10 years it'll still be worth nearly what you paid for it where the other one won't be a good paperweight hardly.  Pictures will reflect that value as well.

I'd prefer the 17 on the bottom

But that is unfair since I really want a 17-55 f2.8 Canon

Long enough for portraits, short enough for general purpose.  Barely on both ends, but barely still reaches.

 

It would also mate perfect with my 11-16 2.8 and a nice L 70-200

There is also something like a 17-85 that is pretty decent that maybe sold used.

I will keep a lot of specs out as my knowledge is lacking, but I will say this. In the pit at Concerts I have covered 5/8 are Nikon users. Combat photographers carry Nikon 9/10 times. My grandfather who has been photographing for over 60 years is a Nikon man. So for me, it's a no brainer.

J

Then go for it. I am not saying Nikon is a bad choice. Super interesting though.

I know 2 concert photographs, one who tours with a band, another who covers local shows. Both use canon.

When I sold cameras at the shop, I worked with one person who used Nikon professionally and he used it in a studio. The other 2 wedding guys use both Nikon and Canon.

Nikon is cheeper. By 10% or more. In the fast full frames however the 1dx kicks the ass of everything from Nikon. So if it's fast sports or phottojournalism or low light the Canon demolishes the Nikon. By such a huge margin it's a little stupid.

Way more FPS, way more low light capabilities, faster focus with more focus points and a smarter system.

The Nikon is roughly 10% cheeper but the Canon is several stops better ISO, and 40% more FPS and somewhere between 10 and 5 times less shutter lag. The used market is bigger and it had more aftermarket support.

Specs wise is one thing, but it is also easier to use. It's controlls allow for same ergonomic control in landscape or portrait. "That Nikon guy" has a good video talking about how is finds the Canon to basically be a generation ahead of the Nikon.... He is a Nikon fanboy from the get go.

In the 5Diii vs the D800, again 10% price difference but better low light performance by several stops. Much more FPS. More versatile with storage, customized presets at one touch hard buttons for fast access, less menu work, lighter, less noise in higher ISO. Ken Rockwell makes a great discussion about it. Nikon in the studio on the tripod, Canon in the bag.

Those are for the 2 flagships. After that it gets muddy.

Neither brand is bad. But again, someone stepping into it with no biased will have a larger pool to collect from in canon.

Oh yes, I also wanted to point out that when Canon has a push to update the firmware, they do. Modders started making their own patch to work out 5dmkiii video and get more from it. Canon saw it, got involved and upgraded the software and made it legit through them. Similar with the 1Dx.

Neither were released missing capabilities, however software fan boys found exploits and Canon's engineers responded and made what they had better based on new technology. I think that is kind of cool.