Singer Alts and teeney Alts

Also a question for bigjon

I figured since you have had experience with both the Sa Zv3 with nightshade soft parts (i do believe correct me if i am wrong lol) .as well as the Zcon 15's , do you think the difference in price is worth it to go with the Zcon's ? I know if you end up wanting to sell the 15's to me shipping is gonna be crazy :S. Also you could probably get more money for them locally lol.

But just let me know what your opinion is and this is of course if i were to go Brand new Zv3 vs Zcon. I love the lows as well as anyone does and i listen to a lil bit of everything but i also would like to get into competing at some point. But thanks in advance man,

 

 i have experiance with the nightshade V1 .. the nightshade V2s with ZV3 spiders (soft) and the Zcons.

 

   i have a VERY small box, 5.8 cubes or so for a pair of 15s!,.

 the Zcons as most subs do.. like a larger box... normaly 4.5 cubes EACH 15... so my case is a little diffrent.

 

   the Zcons are TOUGH subs..  they are a monster SPL sub.. they are a little peaky.... for my taste. but in SPL its perfect....  i can not belive how much abuse these subs took.. i ran them at .35 on a NS1 @ 11.8 volts or so..   i ran them hard as shit.. trying to find the edge.  i never found it.  awsome sub. if you have the space..  and they LOVE forth orders.

 

 the nightshade V2s with ZV3 soft parts are great for me.. with a super low Fs,  and the soft spider packs they get low.. great for me as i peak arounf 33 hrtz and my vehical responce is around 30 hrtz. and they do well in small boxs.

 but they do not take abuse and cipping aswell as the Zcons.

 

  any one can tell you i love sundown.. i have been on team for 6 years now.. and i love there subs and amps.

 

  but.. if i had a SUV or a truck that may be a diffrent story....

 

 steve mead  did well with his Zcons.. and he beat the shit out of them.. and had minimal fauilure.  infact he had no problems for close to a year.  and he had 4 Zcons on 20K... do the math.. thats nuts.

 and kurt is a wizard with the fourth orders he does HUGE numers with his Zcons..

 

 its just like anyting else... if you know what your doing you can make any sub loud...  but having a good sub to start with never hurts!.

 

 im all jacked up on cold meds let me know if somthing i said did not make sence or if i missed somthing

Also a question for bigjon

I figured since you have had experience with both the Sa Zv3 with nightshade soft parts (i do believe correct me if i am wrong lol) .as well as the Zcon 15's , do you think the difference in price is worth it to go with the Zcon's ? I know if you end up wanting to sell the 15's to me shipping is gonna be crazy :S. Also you could probably get more money for them locally lol.

But just let me know what your opinion is and this is of course if i were to go Brand new Zv3 vs Zcon. I love the lows as well as anyone does and i listen to a lil bit of everything but i also would like to get into competing at some point. But thanks in advance man,

 

 i have experiance with the nightshade V1 .. the nightshade V2s with ZV3 spiders (soft) and the Zcons.

 

   i have a VERY small box, 5.8 cubes or so for a pair of 15s!,.

 the Zcons as most subs do.. like a larger box... normaly 4.5 cubes EACH 15... so my case is a little diffrent.

 

   the Zcons are TOUGH subs..  they are a monster SPL sub.. they are a little peaky.... for my taste. but in SPL its perfect....  i can not belive how much abuse these subs took.. i ran them at .35 on a NS1 @ 11.8 volts or so..   i ran them hard as shit.. trying to find the edge.  i never found it.  awsome sub. if you have the space..  and they LOVE forth orders.

 

 the nightshade V2s with ZV3 soft parts are great for me.. with a super low Fs,  and the soft spider packs they get low.. great for me as i peak arounf 33 hrtz and my vehical responce is around 30 hrtz. and they do well in small boxs.

 but they do not take abuse and cipping aswell as the Zcons.

 

  any one can tell you i love sundown.. i have been on team for 6 years now.. and i love there subs and amps.

 

  but.. if i had a SUV or a truck that may be a diffrent story....

 

 steve mead  did well with his Zcons.. and he beat the shit out of them.. and had minimal fauilure.  infact he had no problems for close to a year.  and he had 4 Zcons on 20K... do the math.. thats nuts.

 and kurt is a wizard with the fourth orders he does HUGE numers with his Zcons..

 

 its just like anyting else... if you know what your doing you can make any sub loud...  but having a good sub to start with never hurts!.

 

 im all jacked up on cold meds let me know if somthing i said did not make sence or if i missed somthing

Yeah, I caught all of that lol. If i were to get a 4th order box "Designed by someone of course" It'd have to be a single sub setup more or less correct ? I don't know much about 4th order boxes as far as designing them but i am pretty sure they tend to be bigger than ported boxes. And with having to stuff 2 d3100's or maybe even one if i can't get a hold of another saz 3k, which if a single sub is all i could fit with a 4th order box i would only need one saz pushing it anyways. Depending on the size of subs i chose as well plays into it as well though.

A 4th order with 2 fi q 12/15s designed by BHE (bassheadsent) would be loud off that 3k.

 

It depends if you want to upgrade later or not. If you are gonna stick with one 3k get 2 15" xcons, zv.3/zv.4, Qs. If you may get 2 3ks go with something more like zcons, btls, NSs.

 

Psi makes some great subs too at an awesome price don't count them out.

 

1 3k probably wont get you to a 48-49 unless it's a nice box. Maybe if you are running outlaw though.

 

There are a lot of options you could go for. Usually daily ground pound builds don't shoot for numbers though. Generally lower tuning doesn't do as well on the meter.

 

Edit: I just read the updated price. I'd probably lean more towards the stronger subs then just to be safe. i.e. zcons or btls.

Edited February 16, 201312 yr by sweendog

8.03 net volume ported on a zcon on a crescendo '3500 1ohm wangggggg on it all day

get 2 18" evils

 

and if you want to get me one as well that would be much appreciated

Sorry, to everyone waiting on me to decide lol. I have been moving in the middle of all of this so i just got my internet hooked back up. As before i would get on my phone here and there.
But i am gonna order the zconz. Here very soon, oh and i ended up getting that other saz 3000d so it looks as if i will get to throw 6k to em

Anyone want to chime in on what batteries I should go with ? Xp 3000 over d3100 ? Not quite sure how much space ill have behind my box I figure atleast 3 batteries will be able to fit beh ok nd it. Thanks in advance. And I aslo saw a zcon for purchase sort of. Locally, how can you tell fom pics if it is a zcon ? Looking at pics from this site the only difference I can tell is the surrounds.