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  1. Hi I am looking for subwoofer recommendations for 12 inch to be used in a SEALED enclosure I got 3 cubes GROSS and 2000rms to play with I want the subs to be able to get low, so f3 has to be in the mid to low 30s I also want them to get LOUD with high SPL so i guess that means it has to have strong motor and plenty xmax Some subs i was thinking of are: DC level 3 12s SSA gcon (these are 750 rms each, would 2 of them be ok on 2000rms? i dont know if these subs are underrated or not) SSA icon (these are 1250 each...would 2 of them be on on 2000rms?) IA lethal injection (no idea what the F3 is on sealed boxes on this sub) Image dynamics IDMAX v3 or v4 Fi ssd FI Q (discontinued i believe) AA chaos 12s please let me know any other subs or recommendations you guys have thank you
  2. i found the review from sonicelectronix stating the damage by underpowering subs.. also the second review, the guy says the same thing..
  3. i really chose the wrong time to buy new subs.
  4. any time estimate on when the havoc will be back in stock?
  5. the first place i read this warning from manager was in the review section on one of the subwoofers they sell. Some guy left a review stating he was only giving it half or 1/3rd the rms and it still sounded good then under that in bold it says managers note: under powering a sub for extended periods of time will warp the voice coil and is not suggested. i tried finding the review so i could post it here but wasnt able to find it .. but i will again and will post it here when i do.
  6. i use to run 2 jl 12w3v3s sealed (due to my space limitations, if i want to run dual 12s i have to do it sealed) and those had an f3 around 44 i believe and if i played anything id say around 40hz or below the bass was noticeably softer. perhaps thats the nature of my car. This is why i am looking for a lower f3 sub so i can avoid this happening again. on a side note,. i have been looking into aero ports and how they save space. I may be able to run dual 12s with aero ports.. i have a home theater sub, a 12 inch polk audio 150rms sub.. that thing is SO good. down firing aeroport. makes my entire room shake and you can feel the low end in your body and ripples and all that good stuff. I wish i could have this effect in my car but even using a 2000rms amp and 650 dollar sub, i was not able to achieve it ... yet.. maybe i will try building a new enclosure with an aero port firing into the cabin up thru the rear deck. The current enclosure i have now was designed by sundowns technical support guy. I really think the design of my car and trunk is holding me back from achieving my bass goals. I remember someone with the same car as me who was also a bass head tell me that since the trunk design sucks and so much bass doesnt freely flow into the cabin as easily as other cars, the only way to achieve this is with a LOT of power and/or many subs.
  7. ive been told that the AA havoc 12s get very loud in sealed boxes and they look very similar to the SSA icon/xcon series subs but have more xmax and can handle 1500rms.. seems like an icon on a mild dose of steroids. Are these in stock at the moment? im trying to find sealed enclosure specs and f3 etc on them.. whats your opinion on them? have you heard them in a sealed set up before?
  8. is it safe to underpower subs by almost half of what they are rated for? staff at sonic electronix said it is dangerous and not recommended because it will warp the voice coil or something like that.. so the xcon is also out of stock?
  9. kinda makes sense.. which driver would you choose? im leaning towards the warmer surrounding bass of the icons i can run 2 xcon 12s sealed as well, i have space for that, but i can only give them 2000rms total. what would get louder and sound better on 2000rms 2 icons or 2 xcons? (on a sealed set up) benefit of the xcons is that i can throw 3500 or 4000 rms later on if i choose to upgrade which should get me much more output. with the icons, i can maybe later get a 2500rms amp but only giving it an extra 500 more rms wouldnt make much of an audible difference than the 2000rms i have now. actually its a bc2000 so i believe its 2250rms but not sure if its a true 2250 or over rated?
  10. the only way i can run 2 is if they are sealed as i dont have enough space to fit a dual 12 ported bo what would you say the difference in sound is between the icon and xcon? other than xcon having more output?
  11. since im still at the learning stage.. can u please explain how the f3 in sealed boxes works. You stated the f3 for a 1 cube box (id be putting it in a larger box maybe 1.3ish cubes) for the icon is 48hz, so realistically once inside the car, how low will the sub play before it loses 3db? will songs that are in the 28-35hz range still play nice and loud? ive heard many great things about the ICON and am debating whether to wait for it or go for the LI,. i guess once i figure out how the f3 for sealed boxes works and how low the icon will actually play then i can make a proper decision.
  12. i wish i had the skill level to know how to do that. but unfortunately , im still at the learning stage and havent reached that level yet.
  13. my box is a design approved and recommended/tweaked by sundowns technical guy. im thinking its my car and trunk.. a lot of the bass gets trapped in the trunk,. when i fold the back seats down , like on most cars, a big hole should appear but for me i have a 8 inch high x 28 wide hole,. its almost like my trunk is a large ported box,. and then i put another ported box inside it,...not a good car to run systems in. Its a genesis coupe btw. The car came with a factory 8 inch JBL sub firing up into the cabin mounted on the rear deck. For an 8 inch it sounded great. why? cuz all that bass was flowing directly into the cabin and bypassing that shitty bass trap trunk. so not only do i have a bass trap trunk,. i have a trunk that has a very small opening where i can only fit a box with max dimensions 13.5 high x 30 wide x 16 deep. So im limited in enclosures. note: i was running a single sa 12 ported,. sounded decent in my car,. sold it when i upgraded to the zv3 12, when the guy who bought it came to pick it up he wanted some help to put it in his car and to adjust his amp. So i helped him, gave it a demo,. night and day difference,. i almost didnt want to sell it when i heard how much louder it was in his car. he had an older acura integra,. hatchback.. no thick metal trapping the bass in his trunk. the cabin and trunk were one unit and all the bass filled up his car proper. My car.. the exact opposite ive almost thought of selling my car and getting a small suv or hatchback.. but ive done too much work on my ride to let it go
  14. since the f3 on sealed is so high,. im curious how it shines in sealed as it wouldnt go that low to play stuff that has a low bassline.. if u had the choice which would u choose the li or icon for a 1000rms sealed set up?
  15. thats what i got now but i find its a peaky response with stuff sounding good around tuning freq only so some songs sound nice but a lot dont.. when i was running sealed most sounds sounded great with the exception of very low freq songs,. so this is why i prefer sealed, plus i can get more cone area with 2 12s, so if i get a low f3 sealed woofer i can get all songs sounding good.. thats my goal.
  16. thats very high... surprised its so high. im actually speaking to a guy named josh he just relayed the info to me as well , i asked him if there was a mistake made since its so high. i guess it would be better to get the lethal injections since they will play much lower.. would you say the LI are better than JL W7s in a sealed set up? if there are any other subs i should look at , pls let me know now. Thanks for your help
  17. well.. im pretty much down to choosing between 3 models,. IA LI 12s JL W7 12s (f3 40hz) SSA ICON 12S all run on 2000 rms and all in a 3 cube net box (thats my max size box allowable) I would like to know exactly what the difference is between the LI and the ICONS.. i know icons can take a lil more power,. but both drivers on 2000 rms in a sealed box, which will get lower? i actually found out the LI have a f3 of around 37hz in a sealed box but i still need to find out the f3 on the ICONS.. if it is lower than the 37hz in around 1.25 cubes then this makes the ICON a bit better than the LI and perhaps its worth waiting a month for them to come back in stock.. is it worth it to wait for the ICONS to come back in stock? how do these compare to the jl w7 or is there no comparison? i really want to be able to get as loud as possible and as low as possible with the best "SQL" type sound as possible and be able to listen and enjoy all genres from decaf to rock so i can be satisfied for the next 2 years or so..
  18. how low did they get in sealed? and how many db in sealed roughly were you hitting? whats the diff between 2008 and present version?
  19. i did see these but since i got 2000rms i thought the lethal injections would be a better choice as they are 1000rms each.. however i have no idea what their f3 is on sealed..
  20. im not sure if these new fi q neos are still suited for sealed boxes they also take more power than i can deliver..
  21. ummm.. there are certain subs that are MADE or that excel in SEALED applications over ported. They are designed to play in sealed enclosures. Im looking for people who have already tested and know of some excellent drivers that fit my needs. So for those who know.. please offer your recommendations. Thanks
  22. Hi there I just bought a 15 inch nightshade and need to pick an amp to run it. I want to get an amp that can run it at 2 ohms. Money is a lil tight,.. I was thinking about a hifonics brutus that does 1700 at ohms or a Power acoustics that does 2600 at 2 ohms, these are affordable amps but i dont know how good they are or if they over heat i would love some suggestions or links to amps that can run a 15 inch nightshade and get it LOUD without over heating or messing up the battery or alternator and is efficient and all that.. if someone is selling an amp that can push this sub please let me know. thanks!!
  23. damn i just realized theres like a block of messages i skipped reading on the 2nd page my bad. LOL
  24. You still are not reading, there are a few post that answer this question already in the topic. Perform better wont be heard by ear, so it is useless. Yes it will increase db and or bass but it wont be noticeable to ear or worth the extra money in the price you paid for the amp and even the extra money you have to dish out to power a 3000 watt amp compared to a 2000 watt one. show me a 2000 watt amp that will run a dual 1 ohm nightshade at 2 ohms then...
  25. can someone still tell me if i run more watts rms to this sub that can handle much more than 1500rms,. will it increase dB and/or Bass??? if the answer is no, then i will go for an amp that runs 1500-2000 rms @ 2ohms. the only reason i want to run more than 2000rms is because I was told it will perform better and louder the more watts rms i give it.