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a) your right about the power B) DEI stole it and uses it on one of there other subs, Orion did not steal it directly, there new owner did. Steal is not thr right word. Basicly Adire submitted the patents about 3 years ago and they will be passing soon. DEI submitted theres for what is basicly the same thing about 1 year ago. Adire can not do anything about it until there patent gets aproved, which will happen way before DEI's does. So until adire's patent goes through they cant really do anything about it, DEI is just trying to sell as many dualgap type subs as they can before adire owns the rights to it. -aaron

yeah, ive seen a proto at the shop. They will come in 8,10,12 and 15. they used XBL^2. The 10" I saw had 21mm one way, and that was a proto, and keep in mind, they will be in the 175-250 price range, so thats a damn good deal.

just wait till you get a real sub and you will see why people bash sony. neither the spl or sq even compares to most of these subs.

It has no pole vent but the vents by the top plate do the job.

RE MT. Loudest for daily driving, and in the right box it wont sound bad at all. It's a beast that is made to last. For the price (mid 400's) its a good value.

x2 Theres this like VW bug or golf that goes to lots of shows in the south that has an inverted 15. Looks cool. Sounds bad.

The most important thing in any install is the box. But there are super subs. A Sony Hex crap speaker is chit next to say a shiva and a shiva sucks for most things next to a XXX. All subs are not created equal. Just like there are crap subs there are super subs. Install/box is the most important thing, but in an ideal setting these subs listed about will preform better then most other subs that are also in an ideal setting.

ive seen and kina played with one. Nothing super amazing IMO.

even today the round solo's are decent if you can find them cheap in good shape or like new.

k, im really really tired today but i'll do that sometime. The programs I use don't really let me do crx boxes though but I can try. -aaron

Let me know what you need designed. Often times I'm very lazy and it might take a few days but its free . I already a good 50 on my comp and I will be glad to make another one for you. I make them in PS and give you a list of all the cuts you need to make. So if you want one send me an e-mail to bangnvolvo@hotmail.com with the max sizes, the sub, the power, the car, and anything else I should know. Thanks! PS: I can make them for you also but they are really not that hard to make once you get plans. A place like home depot will cut the wood for free and all you need is glue and screws from there. Also you can pay me if you wish lol B)

Definetely very nice. Working on a bunch of 'mini' reviews right now. I say turn this thread into everyone's reviews on these super subs. - Steve Not a bad idea. I know when I was at SD it started to suck mainly cuz EVERYONE would ask which super sub should he ot she get. Almost all the posts in the sub area could have been answered with the info on this page already. I think its fine and good for people to ask questions, but this info will save people from having to ask 75% of those questions. One thing though is if it becomes one big thread, make sure people know who reviewed what cuz spl people will say one thing and sq people will say another. It's nice to know how X person likes say a XXX and EDA next to eachother, thats more helpful then 2 diffrent people, one saying stuff about the XXX and another person saying stuff about the EDA. nice reiview btw steve!

Thanks! already did the XXX idmax and others in another post called supersubs. I really want to hear what people think of the SI's though.

The crossfire is a good amp for lots of people but I did not know mmats was effcient at all. I dont know a whole lot though.

yeah you are someone right. Theres a place in either CA or NV that does it. Starts with a "T" I think. Well I think RE does most of the making of subs by themselfs and I know adire just gets them shipped almost done to them. DEI is where the problems come in. They do not have any REAL right to it. Adire and DEI have patents pending, but Adires is about to pass and DEI's is still like a year or more off. I've talked with the Adire guys about it. They think it is kind of funny cuz DEI does not have a good way to produce the magnets needed until its already been made and they have to charge the magnet live. This costs DEI more money and it does not work as well. DEI calls is Dual Gap btw.

i dont know how to put a bunch of pics in one post...sry

wow, i just learned way to much...and its all stuff i've wanted to know for a long time but never seen explained in one place so THANKS!

You don't get out much do you son? Price is 399 + shipping aka price is about 389 shipped for a 15 from a dealer, and if you can find on on the fourms you can prob talk em down to about 370 shipped. I have heard a 15a, XXX 15 and Brahma mk2 back to back but no mag's, hell i did not even really know anything about em till about a month ago (mags that is). XXX - Loudest when givin the power is needs, Very good SQ. If you can fit a larger box over 3.5 cubes and can give it 2k watts its the best bet. If you have about 1k watts or less I would go with the brahma which will get just as loud and sound a tad better. Under $400 shipped which is a good value. Brahma - Best SQ/LSQ of the 3. With 1k watts its just as loud as a XXX. Nice due to the fact it can work very well in a huge range of boxes. Adire also invented the technolgy used in the H2, some other dei crap, XXX and some others(XBL^2) and they are the best at using it. Another thing to note is that you really only need about 400 watts rms on a brahma to get it to do what it needs to sealed or ported. 1k is prob what most people use and there is nothing wrong with that, but there is no good reason to give a brahma 2k watts like a XXX. Most $$$ out of all of them which is a downside at about $440. 15a - A very well rounded driver. Nothing amzing about it but everything about it is very good. Great price for what you get at $315. ED has had its problems, and I would not recomend buying a used one. They had issues with back ordering, but the main issue with the A's was that the cones would crack and bend and wrap. The new ones use extra foil to make it thicker but still, its not the bext designed sub out there. Some other 15's to throw into this mix: Orion H2 - Best sub for burps, prob would handle the most power for 5 sec or so. Not biult amazingly well. DEI who owns Orion stole the XBL^2 technology from adire and they don't really know how to use and make it. This sub would not get my vote for anything but SPL RE SX - I've jsut heard a little bit from an RE dealer over the last few days and it seems very very good. One 12 with 1k watts hit 148 on T/L. Thats a better number then a XXX would do, and he said it sounded fairly damn good also. I think this sub will be going places. He got 29mm one way xmax also. D2 - ????

i 2nd that

Hey. Not exactly the same thing, but I have a stock 80 amp alt and a HUGE group 31 optima yellow top, not the normal small one. I've never had any problems since I did that and the big 3. You can see my equipment in the sig. I have a little bit of dimming but nothing bad.