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Bj thank you very much for the info about the weight... damn only 2lbs per square foot.....

It seems from the thread that you could get any sub and it will be a great choice...

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I've heard both... quite honestly they are both great subs... the W6 has excellent tonal accuracy and can get loud and low... Problem is so does the Q... In terms of performance or sound quality neither really has the edge it's just too close to tell... The only difference would be the price tag and Customer support by the companies that manufacture them...

scottie is it a sales rep or a company... ?? Reason i ask is we have a large forums that is for Hawaii car audio enthusiast and i can move your batteries fast on these forums (at least in hawaii).... But i would like to have the Rep or the shop guys provide support for them on the forums..

shizzon post a pic of the box in the scion... shit i may call you on friday july 18th if you ok with that i got a few questions about the deadener (just got my damplifier order in from anthony).. and a question on your box design since i drew mine up in autocad (i'm a detailer for HVAC) I drew mines up sub up port up... ;

thickness isn't the tell all of a deadener... I believe weight is !!

Jason... you do realize that the prices SSA has listed is MSRP.. you won't pay that price but something lower... Email them to get the actual SSA price...

Is it lighter then baltic birch ?

Mark I frequent these Car Stereo Port Calculator ~ most accurate IMO RE Audio ~ kinda accurate (shows a lower tuning then actual from what we tested). makes a Great cut sheet list though. Precision Ports ~ most accurate FLARED port calculator that i know of.. Lalena ~ round ported calculator as well as sealed (lets you see the boxes resonant frequency for sealed. pretty sweet) Klaus Customs ~ fairly accurate, Great cut sheet, Just click the box you want to make then click customize and fill in the blanks.. It maximizes the space you got... Pretty solid BCAE Sealed/ported enclosure ~ never checked it's accuracy for ported but the sealed one is great DIY calculator ~ calculating the port with the formula.. Have your scientific calculator handy 8-)

*bookmarked as the funniest thread i've read in a long time*

Spikyho in my 15 years as an installer and over 20 years into this hobby... If you have the space for a 12" and already you have a small bit of "want" for a 12" i can assure you that you should go with a 12"... Granted a 10 can be made to sound like a 12" but if your already doubting your choice in a 10 then i can almost cetrainly tell you, deep down inside you want the 12... just look my man your already rationalizing with the price lol... My advice, if you got the room spend the extra 10 bucks and get a 12, that way, you will have no doubts it was the right choice.. Subs are like chics.. if you can afford an upgrade why wouldn't you ?? LOL BP option increases power handling to somewhere close to 1300 watts... The sundown puts out 1000 watts... no BP option needed...

5K is way to expensive for me.... I was looking at extech have you come across them yet ?

are they any good i'm looking for one.. first one wasn't an Fi bad.... over thousands of subs sold.... thousands of people putting much more power to them... only a few break the leads... most of the time it's cause of improper subsonic filtering or none at all on low tuned boxes and heaps of power.... tinsel leads usually break for 2 reasons.... clipping an amp and sending it high current (which you stated could not be the case) or the sub unloading below box tuning thus having the sub move to xmax limits to which the tinel lead was not designed to accomodate a cone moving further then it's natural limit...

This is all box dependent... I've done both at 27 hz.... I will admit i could hear an audible difference between a BTL and a Q but it was very hard to tell which sub was which when we did it with a BL and a Q (with the ear).... In fact we had to pull it out to confirm which one was which... i've discussed it many times with experts here and one thing i learned it's all about the enclosure... The only thing i can say i heard and that was at low volumes and on rock was that the Q was more accurate on the drums then the BL... other then that, I tell everyone to come on by and tell me which one is a Q and a BL judging purely by sound, output and low end... Since so many people say the Q out puts a BL on low end... Nobody could do it yet and I'd venture to say only a handful of people here could tell the difference (when we are playing hiphop/rap) Put some sheffield lab on and i'm sure you can tell which is which.. but that has nothing to do with low end output, but more tonal accuracy

what kind of oscope do you have ? The brand i mean

Jorge that is about the sweet spot for the new magv4 trust me ive seen all the specs on them and even seen the pics... And without nick beating me up I can tell you that it will be VERY VERY VERY affordable.. trust me you'll probably shit your pants when you see the price... But alas i'm one of only a few in the know about all this.... It's not cause i'm special either... I have to know about all this info... I better stop....

I can attest to the mags release is coming sooner then people think... I am playing with the idea myself... a new mag or a Q for my wifes Acura TL... she's in to sound quality but likes a little movement every once in a while...

omgHi2U Ha beat him to it... anyways welcome to the craziness we call home... enjoy your stay

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/i...?showtopic=7154

KU there is nothing to concede.. my point is that SSF are useful in protecting an investment not to prove you wrong in any way.. please we are just discussing an issue... You are right some competitors do not use SSF.. but some competitors do not use HO alternators or batteries depending on the rules. but that does not mean there is no place for these things in competition.. You've never been to a sanctioned bass race competition ? http://www.termpro.com/dbdrag/rules/index.asp?Page=3 the official rules state music only... it is one of the biggest events for SPL... the rules clearly state "Contestants must play music (instead of tones, sweeps, etc.)" Bass race is very popular.. also wayne harris's (the creator of term lab) Psychlone Competition is music only.. sure there are amps with steeper slopes... RF uses a 12 DB slope, others use 18 and some of the High end ones use 24 db... of course the stepper the slope the faster the attenuation or "cutt-off" my whole post is just basically stating that SSF are very useful as with any feature on the amp.. when applied in any given scenario may be beneficial and necessary in some cases.. to dismiss them as "useless" is in my opinion not a very good idea...

Once again NOT EVERY COMP uses tones... some have music... music is dynamic... Furthermore.. most amps subsonic are adjustable UP TO 60hz... so once again YES they could be detrimental in a comp... A competition is where you would take your equipment to the limit, this is the perfect time for having a subsonic.. The car we entered in a sanctioned comp under team sundown had 2 3000D's and 2 18" LMS ultras...in his first run he hit a 152.8 on the TL legal sealed on the dash... he went to do a demo, didn't have his SSF set properly (by mistake) and he tore a sub to pieces... once again 6K total and a song that dipped below 26hz and he just pulled himself out of the comp... we got the sub reconed, set his SSF and played the exact same song and this time louder with a few more batteries and the speakers never missed a beat and his score improved dramatically... I can also argue the opposite... you'll want to cut off the low end with a SS filter a bit below the box's tuned frequency to prevent damping loss and over-excursion of the subs. sloppy bass = sloppy score, loss of dampening = loss of control on the sub, also it depends on the subs Fs, motor strength and a host of other things that would determine where i would adjust my SSF to, not just box tuning, you seem to be a competitor i'm sure you've figured that out right???.... not all SSF have the same attenuation roll off that you speak off... some are steeper with a more narrow "Q" making you scenario moot and incorrect.. It comes down to knowing your system... If i know my box is tuned to 40hz and that is my in car peak then i would adjust my SSF down more depending on my Q width of the SSF, if the SSF has your -3db roll off then i would set it lower then 38 but i certainly would NOT eliminate it from my system.. who am i to go against all the Engineers that put them on the amps to begin with, I know it must be because they are pointless and placing them on some of the best competition amps in the business when they have no use at all is smart practice;) ... In this business, I would rather play it smart and keep all my equipment alive then play it brave and keep buying recones/speakers.. And that works for YOUR system... Obviously it didn't work for the OP, it hasn't worked for about 50+ other people if you search Subsonic filter on this board, it hasn't worked for the 3 people i seen, it was proven detrimental in the ROE 12" challenge where the BTL would've posted a higher score had it NOT slammed into the basket because someone forgot to put the SSF up (hmmm kinda argues your point in competition doesn't it), and hasn't worked for countless others on other forums... But just because you've not blown anything doesn't mean nobody else will. I did make one misstatement though and thank you to the competitor that PM me... There is also a place for Subsonic filters in sealed enclosures (i had stated high powered ported enclosures)... I stand corrected on that.. the point is not to prove you wrong, but rather to prove that it does have a purpose in life... It has been documented countless times here on why a sub went poof.... ported, low song, high power no SSF = broken speakers. The original poster has already talked to Fi about this issue and he stated the reason why he needs recones.... Subs playing below tuned frequencies = damaged subs = recones....

LOL Ok I understand now

The subsonic isn't to HELP you at a comp... It's to protect the subwoofer from unloading... A subwoofer moves the LEAST at tuning.. It moves the most (unloading) Below and above tuning... regardless of how many watts you put to a speaker unloading is dangerous to the mechanical handling of the sub not thermal... As a speaker plays throughout the day the speakers coils and moving parts heat up.. they expand... this expanding coupled with a speaker unloading is a lot of mechanical stress on the sub that usually leads to damage.... As for comps... You shouldn't be playing a note above your tuning you should be playing a note at your cars peak frequency... That could be AT tuning, most cars in peak response is around 40~42 hz. For us comp guys we would then tune the box to the cars frequency.. then we play that tone, since i stated above that the speaker moves the least at tuning in a comp we can now play it longer and a bit harder since it's less stress mechanically on the sub... furthermore, some comps don't do sine waves or test tones... some do music... music is dynamic, it has peaks and valleys. If you search subsonic on this forum you'll see just how important it is. http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/i...ghlite=subsonic Just ruffle through a few posts and read....

If you hear port noise then chances are something is in error with your port area..... Fi rec. 12-16 x's the amount of net airspace for the port.... 1.1 x's say 13 = 14.3 square ft of port 3" round port gives you about 7 sq ft of port area that means you would need two 3 inch round ports If it's an Aero you may just squeez on buy with it... I'd do a slot port sub forward port up... We tried 3 configurations in a customers truck (toyota extra cab)... in his set up port up sub forward was the loudest to the ear BUT Sub forward port on the drivers side yielded .2 dbs more..