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Even if it were a few bucks more, isn't it better to support your community forum. The forum is free for people like you to join and learn. Give a little back....

nothing wrong wt a lil brand loyalty. Exactly, difference between us and most, is we do not have nut huggers, we have return customers.

Unfortunately that requires that you assume that without a shadow of a doubt that your more expensive "quality" product will not fail and also that the less expensive "shitty" product WILL fail. So...if your "quality" product does not fail, and neither does the "shitty" product in fact fail then...geez you'll feel like a jackass. Hell, if both the "quality" and "shitty" product both break, you'll still feel like a jackass. God forbid your "quality" product should fail and the "shitty" product last...that would be a shame, wouldn't it? Moral of the story: Price indicates next to NOTHING about a product. Also, take care of your stuff, no matter how "quality" you feel like it is, or you might just end up feeling like a jackass. I always find it funny when I see a topic on another site and it is a comparison topic of something we sell and something someone else sells and they almost always go with the cheaper product from the other site based on price alone. We lose countless sales because we don't offer free shipping on many products, but what most do not understand is that if we did, we would be losing money and that is exactly the opposite reason we work so many hours on this for so little in return.

You pay for quality. When you buy quality, over time it'll break even or actually be cheaper than having to buy multiple shitty products.

We just had a Mayhem we shipped get a broken basket. I do not understand how they can break something that is crated with 9/16" thick panel on top and bottom, foam lined and braced with 2x4's. Makes no sense whatsoever.

just wondering why you say that? they are both right around that wattage (2250 vs 2500). And we all know they can handle more than that if need be.

average person just wants some mid bass bump between there tweeters and sub stage. They dont want to get deep into the science of it all which would most likely sound better. OP has seen this brand get good amount of reviews and wanted some comfort in his choice before pulling the trigger. OP the chain is only as strong as the weakest link, Since its your car you do whatever you think is best for you they are also your ears so again do your setup however you want if and when you think theres room to improve start doing a lot of reading.

nothing wrong wt a lil brand loyalty.

The driver is built to handle more power and underrated. It is used as a marketing technique. They built a stronger driver, rate lower, then make videos of testing with more power and people are fooled into thinking it's better than it is because it can handle more power than it's rated for. It sells product to the ignorant and misinformed.

guess I'm halfway there, I said green hammer.

They both are great subs. I had a pair of 15's of each and the only difference was the sp4s were 1 db louder. Or as equal as i could make it. They both sound great everything else was pretty much even.

Either will be great, flip a coin! Literally Both subs are amazing and with either one you can be proud to say you have one of the best subs on the market today. From a Customer service standpoint the Zcon hands down. My next build will be SSA

WTF it showed it as one continuous long page. Wanted to cleanse the page of that awfulness.

Out with the old

Here are some quick looks at some of our work. I will try and get more pictures up later for everyone. Designs Basic enclosures Raised logos Again, sorry I don't have many pictures on this computer, but I will try and find some images of some of our more "interesting" builds over the years.

yo, picked up some 12" subs for my ride.

Unfortunately that requires that you assume that without a shadow of a doubt that your more expensive "quality" product will not fail and also that the less expensive "shitty" product WILL fail. So...if your "quality" product does not fail, and neither does the "shitty" product in fact fail then...geez you'll feel like a jackass. Hell, if both the "quality" and "shitty" product both break, you'll still feel like a jackass. God forbid your "quality" product should fail and the "shitty" product last...that would be a shame, wouldn't it? Moral of the story: Price indicates next to NOTHING about a product. Also, take care of your stuff, no matter how "quality" you feel like it is, or you might just end up feeling like a jackass. I agree with you however I think I wasn't clear enough. I was not insinuating that the higher the cost, the more quality a product is. I was insinuating that more often than not a higher quality product is not going to be the cheapest. I do agree that researching and finding the highest quality product (within the law of diminishing returns) then assessing price would be the wiser route .

Cept the culture of CAPITALISM! I mean...we don't want to be SOCIALISTS do we? That's almost COMMUNISM!

Unfortunately that requires that you assume that without a shadow of a doubt that your more expensive "quality" product will not fail and also that the less expensive "shitty" product WILL fail. So...if your "quality" product does not fail, and neither does the "shitty" product in fact fail then...geez you'll feel like a jackass. Hell, if both the "quality" and "shitty" product both break, you'll still feel like a jackass. God forbid your "quality" product should fail and the "shitty" product last...that would be a shame, wouldn't it? Moral of the story: Price indicates next to NOTHING about a product. Also, take care of your stuff, no matter how "quality" you feel like it is, or you might just end up feeling like a jackass.

If one of the options was Sundown, you would have chosen it

There is an additional spider placed on a different landing on the basket. This can help with possible coil rock at extremely high levels, as the basket the SP4 uses has a ton of clearance. The SP4 does not have a coil rock issue, but for a metaphor; think about a po-go stick as your jumping up and down, it is more stable when both your hands and feet are on it, compared to just your feet.

Indeed, buying on price is what has seriously destroyed any culture Americans may once thought they had.

They are two different sub woofers, as the design is fairly different. But, they are meant for similar end goals. The SP4 does have more coil surface, and the option for a spaced spider, so it is able to handle more then the Zcon. Either way, it is a win win.

However, since Kevin calls it under rated it may be over rated. Everything he uses in marketing is suspect IMO

Well the video may be fake, but water can be turned from frosty icey cold, into a solid block of ice when removed from a fridge under the correct circumstances. I have had it happen to me numerous times, especially while deployed. J Correct "super cooled"

Why would you want to over power it? You won't hear the difference between 400 and 600 watts so why would you risk damage?

just thought this was pretty cool

9/10 experience. Emailed me back very promptly and answered all my questions. Sub took a little bit longer than the expected wait time but it is well worth it for such a quality product. I've definitely got plans to buy from ssa again and have suggested them to friends.

WTF it showed it as one continuous long page. Wanted to cleanse the page of that awfulness. Sniff, sniff... lick...

I'm interested in more videos. They are very informative and put together great! What do you think you would cover in future videos?

You won't be disappointed with either. I do agree that it is nice that Aaron is on here pretty much everyday answering questions, and addressing any issues.

I don't need extra length here. Only reason you do that where I live is to bridge bumps. The IQR does that for me already. Come visit sometime and we can go boondocking! I will show ya what the longtrack is really for. Ask J about my hospitality, you will be well taken care of. I'd bolt an extension and an ATAAC and bring the beast.....or just rent a 163 RMK

Box with the fake ports is done: Looks like a big port but only the middle is actually a port My "helper":

Most highend vehicles use close cell foam 1 to 2 inches thick under the carpet. I have a distributor I buy from locally that sells a mass loaded mat made for high end home theater installs. In my 2010 civic road noise was horrible. I lined the entire floor, up the fire wall, completely stuffed the void between the door panels and inside door skins and between the rear deck and the deck paneling. Now it's as quiet as a 7 series BMW.

At the least I would deaden the doors. Apply cld tiles to sheet metal panels. About 25% coverage to control resonance. Sheet of mlv over the sheet metal. You can use velcro for mounting. CCF between mlv and actual plastic door panel to reduce any panel rattle. I'm not sure if he'll ship to SA, but you can always try: http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/ If you end up using the second skin since it's local for you, then your going to be looking at damplifier = cld, luxury liner = mlv, overkill = ccf.

I cant wait to see this done!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEq6dGOZD4U

oh im far from hype, and your correct, its all about interpretation, if you WISH to read it rude, you will be offended, but if you wish to read it informatively then you will be wiser by doing so.. ....... your new here, and i welcome you , but M5 is one of the hand full of memebers here that is misunderstood because of his bluntness, like my self, i can tell you this.... if he did not care, he would not post,... but seems how he did,.... he is ONLY challenging you to think, or to raise the question in your own mind.... only to make you a better member of SSA. thats all im saying

nothing smart ass about what he said, perhaps your unclear on the meaning of the phrase "smart ass" perhaps you should get your head out of your ass......... now there is a phrase you can picture.

A 1cuft ported enclosure is going to take up a lot more room than a 1cuft sealed enclosure. Due to size restrictions it sounds like a sealed 12" is the route you should go.

There isn't anything wrong with the way Fi packages their subs. Having a box beat to death should tell you who's fault it is. Hell I've seen some of the best packaging destroyed because of the shipper.

Sometimes i use my tongue but that's on the really extreme setups.

So school has been extremely time consuming. I managed to find some time to head out to the Stamp Sands and have a good time though! Took a picture or two while I was there

This one is for a modest trunk setup with a little bit of a viewing window... Here is a look at our new coating with some painting to match the owners SSA subs that will be finding a new home in here.. And here are a few from the build log area some of you may not have seen yet..