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I ordered myself 2 Q's from them last week, anybody knows if there is a longer waiting time for any reason? (yes I know I should except 2-3 weeks, just checking if I should expect 4-6weeks)

what's the right amount for a 10,25 cu ft enclosure?

mm, checked if it was in stock? Cause it isn't. And if someone is interested, Pioneer is discontinuing their Premier line, and the new 2010 models will probably be ready around April/May. That's what a guy said to me from Pioneer USA. And that's the reason sonicelectronix and many other stores don't have this cd player in stock.

Yeah I saw pages like that one, I googled "Techronics experience forum" and "Techronics review" and got many pages, some were bad some were good. But since I saved 150$ (27% compared to woofersetc) I took the chance, I hope it pays out. It's kinda scary comparing online shops in US and Norway to be honest. If you tried a scam in Norway like I have seen dealercostcaraudio are doing, you would be on the news and probably sent to jail within 4 weeks. I mean, there's like thousands of bad reviews from people who have bought items there.

I'm going to buy a Pioneer DEH-P800PRS. (SSA shop didn't have it either.)

Yeah, they had tons of complains... try to google the name and all you see is "scam" "didn't recieve what I ordered" etc etc. But Techronics have ok rep and the store has been working for at least 6 years (oldest review I found). So I'm going to buy from there.

None of the shops mentioned in that thread has it.

I'm trying to get a P800PRS (they are discontinued). And I found some shops that still has it in stock, but I have never bought from them before. shops: Speed & Sound Electronics Corp. Techronics Dominantcaraudio http://www.dealercostcaraudio.com The Specialists Inc. Anyone that have some experience with these shops?

for the money one of the best amps out there. It does underrated power, but even with that in consideration it's still one of the best buys. I had two ZXi-6006 amplifier, the one driving the subwoofer ran to hot only once, but this was in the summer when there was 30-35C (about 100F) probably even more in my trunk. Other than that one episode mine worked fine for 1.5 years. The new bxi and zxki series are going to get some upgrades, like better heatsinks and some other stuff to make them run cooler. It's not the best amps out there, but it's good bang for the buck. The XX series are generally pretty good. I just bought a Hifonics XX Colossus II for myself.

it's sold in some shops in Norway, the sellers compares them to JBL/sony, but no I don't have any on-hand exp with them. I wouldn't buy them.

you're not the only one mate. First time I have experienced that a whole forum is censoring a name. Feels almost like north korea lol. But anyway, yeah they look sick. I have heard rumors that the price will be around 50% more then the Mayhem sub. Can't wait to see how they will perform in DB contests.

I'm not very familiar with that brand, but I believe it's comparable to JBL, good but not top notch like Focal, JL etc.

I know here where I live most people use Fiat Panda for serious DB drag. It has something to the resonance frequency of the car I think. In theory, I think a big car would be best, because you can build a enormous enclosure and have the subs right behind the driver seat.

You start dreaming about amplifier You're day dreaming about how to build a new enclosure You spend the whole monthly scholarship on car stereo, so you en up eating bread and jam for 30 days.

I'll maybe use the the LPS. If I use a external processor later, I won't use the crossover anyway. So the question comes down to build quality and power. And nobody has screamed SmokeStream yet and I haven't found any complaints about the amp on this or other forums. So It should be good. If the amp suck you all will hear about it here.

Yeah I though you would say that. But in the end with a external processor, I will get more from the Soundstream amp then from the Sundown Audio amp. Considering I will be running 2 sets of infinity Kappa perfect 6.1 passively on the amplifier I don't think it will mater much. I'll rather have a little bit less SQ in my system now, so that I might have great SQ with more power later on.

I guess someone was good this year.

Yeah it's a good sounding system I am after. And my choice came down to the Soundstream amp, cause I believe the more power justifies the loss of being able to choose 12 or 24db/octave slope on the crossover. And like you two said, a external processor would do a better job either way, so when I'm going to go with a active set up, I might as well buy a external processor. For my passive set up, I think the Soundstream will be more then good enough. So thx for the help guys.

depends on the length of the cable. 3-4 feet should be fine. but I would recommend running a 1/0 wire with a reducer to 4awg to the amp. source: Determine Appropriate Wire Gauge - Realm of Excursion

ok, man wish I had the time to buy a book on this stuff and read it. :S I managed to skip something in my previous post, whats "x10 selectable range switch"? It's a x10 boost to the frequency span the crossover right? How important, SQ wise, is the ability to change the slope from 12db/octave to 24db/octave when compared to additional 30W rms?

The rear set is only being used when there are people in the back seats, which is almost never. It's kinda good to hear some music when you're in the back seats as well. IMO you shouldn't assume that someone is starting from scrap if they don't write all of what they have done. My car is deadened pretty good (doors and floors), the trunk and the roof needs deadening but that's getting done before the install of the new subs and amps. The electricity is going to be good, a 180A alternator from Iraggi is going to be ordered soon, my car has a HC600 in the front and two HC1800 in the back, the big 3 are done and there are 1/0 cable for positive and negative going from the front to the back. Nakamichi PA4100 doesn't have crossovers for ch1+2 and ch 3+4. I got this info from a forum, since I can't got hold on a owners manual and the website is just full of shit. Sorry, but all the fancy words are good and all, but how about some pictures of the terminals or some technical info? All of them have independent crossovers for channels 1-2 and 3-4. Soundstream has a variable subsonic filter as well, it's the Hawkin Boost Control, which also can give a 0-10db boost at the given frequency. The Rockford does not. Since I didn't know much about the octave slopes, I googled a bit and found many sites and one really good one with some info on this: LINK As I understand it, a 12db/octave slope will give a smoother sound in comparison to a 24dv/octave slope which will allmost creat a edge to the sound. Isn't 24 db/octave more useful in LPF for subs? I'm a novice in this field, but from what I have gathered by googling around a bit using a 24db/octave slope for mids/tweeters will not be really good. The sound will be unnatural and unrealistic. Am I mistaken here?

1. How old are you? 21 2. When did you get into car audio? 18 3. How did you first get into car audio? Was at a DB Drag, and when I felt my breathing followed the rhythm of the bass I was hooked. 4. Whats your favorite color? Blue 5. Male or female? Male 6. Your first Car? Toyota Celica T23 GT 8. How did you find out about this site? link from Fi 9. What was your first system? Hifonics ZXi 6006 and a 12" Pioneer 400W rms sub 11. Were do you live? Norway, Halden 12. Whats you favorite car audio brand? McIntoch, heard a SQ with smplifiers from them, wow what a sound. 15. Who is your hero in the car audio industry? No one atm 16. Whats your dream system? A SQ system that hit 150db 17. Whats your dream car? Cizeta Moroder or Lister Storm 18. Whats the fastest car you have driven/ridden in? Ridden a Porsche 911 Carrera 2 with upgraded engine +++, we hit about 286 km/t on the GPS. 19. Were do you buy most of your car audio products? US, have bought the most from sonicelectronix.com 20. What is your job? Uni. Student 21. Whats your favorite saying? All is relative 24. Whats your favorite brand of cars?BMW, Toyota and Dodge 25. What do you like better, cars, vans, trucks, or suv's? cars 29. Whats is the most recent thing you have purchased? Audio wise, deadening 31. Who do you think is the most knowledgeable person on SSA? Impious, lots of great helpful info 32. What is your personal best on the TL? and with what equipment? 134DB with bridged Hifonics ZXi 6006 and a 12" Pioneer 400W rms in a sealed enclosure 33. SQ or SPL? why? SQ, because it's more important that it sounds good, cause with enough power it get's loud enough anyway.

Thx for the link again Impious. A lot of good info on the forum. Well, I have narrowed down my options quite a bit. It has come down to these amps, and the order is what I think atm is the best choice: 1. Soundstream Reference 4.920 reason: Lots of power, 4x145W rms, Hawkins Boost Control, a good review of the smaller brother: LINK, and the looks are quite nice. (note: the power is slightly over rated on the little brother, but sill quite acceptable considering the price and features IMO) 2. Rockford Fosgate Power T600-4 reason: RF quality, 4x131W rms (birthsheet data @ 14.4V) 3. Sundown Audio SAX-100.4 reason, Good rep from members of this forum, 4x100W rms, underrated power, my wild guess maybe around 4x110/120W rms. Good features and intriguing becuase it's unknown where I'm from. The features on those three are quite the same, but Soundstream has the best with the larger range of the crossovers and the Hawkin Boost Control. The review looks good, but it's hinting to heating problems. Question here's are they still Smoke Stream? The Rockford has lots of power as well, looks quite good, and has the same features as the Sundown amp, as far as my sleepy eyes sees it. Since it has more power (on paper at least) and because it's RF (easier to sell if I want to change) it's on 2.nd place. The Sundown Audio amp was my first choice to begin with before I checked all the other amps, only reason it's at 3. place is because it's unknown (hard to sell) an it has a little less power then the RF amp. What do you guys think I should go for? And please say why you think so. I have very little use for ""Sundown Audio / RF / Soundstream FTW!!! """ replies.

I know people don't like SQ and ""SQL"" on thi forum and I understand, because one person can like the sound, but others think it's horrible. I's a expression that's based on taste not facts. BUT as I see it, we aren't talking about speakers, but amps. And the way I see it, a sq amp can't be determined by taste, but by electrical science. The amplifier I'm going to buy will be running two sets of Infinity Kappa Perfect 6.1, which I had running on a Hifonics zxi 6006. And from my exp, the amplifier did not have enough power to run them good enough. And if I turned up the volume, it didn't sound correct, it started to sound like they were about to blow. It wasn't a clean and crisp sound. This wasn't at a high volume, so they weren't actually about to blow. Considering I'm going to use Infinity Kappa Perfect 6.1 which has a bit low sensitivity (90db) and can handle 100W rms. Should I aim for a amplifier that deliver perhaps 150W rms per channel? Or is 100W rms from a quality amplifier good enough? In the beginning I'm not going active, the speakers will be run passive.

DosOne wrote this a couple of years ago: