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I have created an actual Sundown Facebook page that you can "Like" and get updates. I've had hundreds of friends requests on my personal page from customers -- and it is just that, a personal page, and not for everyone to see. But I did post alot of Sundown information on there that I'm sure people wanted to see... that information will now go to our actual Facebook page: Sundown Audio| Facebook

Yep, 3" coil The big one is a 4" coil

If this motor works well we may start working on our big Neo motor again.

It will cost a bit more than the NS v.2 when complete... around 100-120 bucks more as the motor costs about that much more to make due to the large and custom tooled Neo slugs. Motor force should be very high on it... plus the compact size will be great for Street SPL applications. More information to come when it's available.

Two of my sample motors arrived -- now I am going to work on the coils and then try them out : It will be for from 8s through 18s. ----- Started a new thread as the original was from a few months ago and the title doesn't really say what it's about Project I'm Working On - Car Audio Classifieds

Honestly I have no current plans to enter the ultra-slim market. Most Sundown customers expect incredible durability and super high power handling from us and I just don't feel like an ultra-slim can do that justice. The E10 will fit under most truck seats though -- we sold 90% of the SD-1 and SD-1 v.2 for that.

I don't have an ETA at all on the E10s and E12s -- I've only drawn up the design and haven't started prototyping yet.

Just to fill you guys in... I've been working on a TON of things for Sundown for the future... hoping to see many of these things next year! I am going to discuss woofer related plans here... things I didn't really mention much in the "New Stuff Coming to Sundown" thread. ----- As you can see the E8 v.2 is available for pre-order now -- I am going to fill out the E line with 10s and 12s. Like the SA line the 8" motor is unique in the line... the 10s and 12s will have a larger motor, smaller than the SA series, though, but also with a 2.5" coil. The coil will be shorter and the depth of the 10" model will be around 4.25-4.5" or so for depth restricted applications. They will be rated for 400-watts RMS and will feature less advanced cooling methods than the SA series due to the lower rating and lower price. I am debating 15s in this line... if they are made it won't be until a later time. ----- I have already released most that there is to know about the SA series development. We have the new spacer ring that is to replace the drilled basket vent holes. I may not have mentioned that I also re-designed the pole cap for enhanced cooling as well. Simply a shape and size change... not too major. The above two are for 10s, 12s, and 15s only -- not the 8s. Of course without either of these modifications the SA series already WELL exceeds it's rated power capacity -- as is highly documented all over by this point. I simply decided to take it to the next level as I am a speaker nerd and that is what I do! They will be fully "backward compatible" with older units as the changes are to air flow only... no spec changes. For the SA-8 I have tooled up a new surround that is 5mm taller, 5mm wider, and twice as thick. It is a softer foam, though, so compliance has not changed and SPL output also did not change at all -- not even 0.1 dB. I simply wanted THE best surround on an 8" woofer so I tooled my own Here is a comparison : New on the left -- old on the right. Those will be coming out within the next few months. You can run them with "older" ones no problem as I have mentioned the specs don't change in any significant fashion. I have and will continue to test anything I can think of to further improve the SA series without making them more expensive... since many of the ideas won't make production if they have no benefit in my testing I won't talk about them just yet. ----- I haven't said much about this at all... but I am developing a 1000-watt series. It looks almost just like the SA series motor (same height motor, basket, etc) but it is 20mm wider and used a 3" voice coil (of course a wider spider comes with that). What is not seen is an added aluminum shorting ring inside the motor. Therefore all of our subs 1000-watts on up will feature a shorting ring. The coil will remain a 4-layer copper round wire as with the SA series -- customers really like the low-end extension! I still have a good bit of testing to go before releasing more information, specs, etc... but I am working on something to bridge the gap from the SA to the Z series! This series will be available in 10s, 12s, 15s, and 18s over time... will likely be introduced one size at a time as with the SA series. They will come out of the gate with the latest SA features (magnet boots, new pole cap design, new basket spacer ring, etc). Thinking about using the "X" designation as I've applied to several prototypes in the past. Only very early work is done on these... so don't expect them until later in 2011 unless something changes dramatically. ----- I am working on several things on the big boy woofers... not much I am ready to talk about yet, though I am ALWAYS testing new things though! ----- Obviously I am toying with several Neo woofers designs... the other lines do hold priority over dedicated SPL products but I am an enthusiast as well so I haven't forgotten about you guys! ----- Anything I am missing that people want to see from Sundown in the woofer lines ? We are looking at 5 main lines : E, SA, X, Z, and Nightshade I am also prototyping three Neo motors (may or may not be released), a Monster v.2 concept motor (may or may not be released), and an ultra linear SPL motor (flat BL topology, large ferrite motor). These are fun projects that may or may not end up being made - perhaps in limited production if they are - and I'll have more details on them as time goes on. Anyway... just thought I'd get it out there as I do enjoy discussing future products!

Two of my sample motors arrived -- now I am going to work on the coils and then try them out :

Because that is how I roll Being that the SA with a 2.5" coil takes this level of abuse and performs this well... think about the what the "X Series" which is a 3" coil version of the SA motor with more motor force and even a shorting ring will do ! Any chance of an 8 in the x line? Not really... the motor is too big. We have the E8 v.2 and SA-8 now... the only other I've planned currently is the Neo-8.

Because that is how I roll Being that the SA with a 2.5" coil takes this level of abuse and performs this well... think about the what the "X Series" which is a 3" coil version of the SA motor with more motor force and even a shorting ring will do !

I've had some folks ask me about Ron's box specs -- I am not sure. More than willing to share mine from the Jeep, though : 6 cubes tuned to 42 hz on paper -- with it's actual orientation in the Jeep tuning was in fact in the 30s and my box peaked at 47 Hz (actual Jeep peak is 53 hz but the low tuning drug it down to 47 Hz). 3x 6" Aero-Ports

Port faces back.

Since I've already had the "just because it's a CRX" comment on another forum here are some pictures and results of 4x SA-12s in my Jeep : We caught a slightly lower 154.3 score on video at a different show : And the score with two 1500Ds :

Originally posted by TeamSSC Ron on my SMD Forum : From original post : "Recently I purchased (4)SA10"s from Jacob and the said subs are intended for a daily music and bassrace set-up. Out of curiosity I build a spl box for it first before even moving on to my original plans for this subs. And here are some of the details I wanted to share to everyone . . . . (4) SA10"s - D2 (1) Batcap (1) SD8kD amp BUILDS : (4) SA10"s (D2) RESULTS 1 : Car off and batcap get charged in between burps RESULTS 2 : Car off and batcap is on a charger at burp "

Honestly... we have some pretty affordable stuff out. SAX-1200D : 375 MAP 2x SA-12s : 378 MAP --- $753.00 A local retailer can get a pretty competitive system in for a customer for $1000 installed with a pre-fab box (which SA series sound great in most of them). I am working towards a smaller amp and the E line woofers... we'll have a package closer to the 500 mark for two subs that are still very good and a very legit 800-watt Class-D amp. Sure, we aren't for EVERY shop out there - I can agree. I also don't WANT to be in every shop out there.

If we have a comparable amp in stock we can still replace under warranty. Being that the 2000 is no longer made -- the warranty will be by repair @ dB-R once they are gone.

Shops can pretty easily sell product the customer hasn't heard of if they are willing to explain and demonstrate the benefits. Shops that we have that do just a little extra work make plenty of sales this way. It's not difficult... set up a demo area with product A and product B and let them see and hear it. I'm not just saying this... shops that do it move alot of our products. It's proven time and again to work. The "issue" I suppose is if a shop wants people to walk in and ask for something and make a sale without any leg-work. In that case a larger brand is easier to move... provided the customer hasn't been online and seen it for the dealers cost or less, of course.

IMO - being that we have been around now for 4 years and simply continue to grow the "small company" excuse is just that. Most likely they simply haven't heard of us at all and wanted to sell you something they have in stock.

Four SA-8s in my Jeep on a 2500D was doing 145s on music at 35 Hz in a rigged up box -- so there is good potential !

We allow our dealers to replace amplifiers over the counter at their discretion and we will in turn replace it for the dealer. We end up replacing alot of things that are purely user error for local dealers so they can "help out" their customers. Obviously for subs its a bit different as a completely black coil is really no question *laughs*

The funny thing is we are one of the most dealer friendly companies out there... I get alot of crap on the net about being "overpriced" since we actually defend profits for our dealers. You can buy most brands on e-bay for dealer cost... guess what ? All Sundown sold online is at MAP pricing -- a level that dealers can make money at. If they choose to carry products that cut the throats of the shops selling them so be it. Dealers that do carry our line are quite pleased.

The sound in the video is REALLY annoying as it was distorting the camera mic pretty badly being so close - I'd suggest turning the sound down and just looking at the meters if you decide to watch the whole thing.

It passed our brutal 5 minute 60 Hz thermal test at ~2000-watts clamped power (it floats around this number... as we have to adjust the rig as coil heats to try and keep power as close to 2kw as possible). We even put the coils on a DMM at the end of the video. So... without a doubt the NS v.2 will take MUCH more than it's rated power on music thermally having passed this 60 hz torture test where limited coil movement severely limits coil cooling.

It's over whenever these are sold out.