come on man, i think you know what i meant, i mean for weight loss, more like a testimony, im awell known guy in my town, and when BIGJON starts losing weight people will ask what and how.. and i say ,,., metroflex. or what ever.... also keep track and pictures of my progress and post on my face book and what nots.... but i do understand what your saying. heres the deal, and ill put my self out there so that i can be made fun of my a small group, but i went to the doctors today, and after months of testing , my doctor, that normaly stays to a natrual cure low medication type healing, was so confused and perplexed, .... he suggested something that i never expected to hear from him.... after tons of testing my thyroid is fine, my blood suger is fine, my blood pressure is fine. my testostrone is back in line, im active, as my job calls for it. i eat decent , mainly salads for lunch and chicken and white rice for dinner, and my weight keeps around the same or goes up.. i got on the scale today and i was like WWWWHHHHAAT THE FUCK.. even my doctor had me get back on... it makes no sence. so he sugested lap band or gastric sleeve.... not somthing i wanted to do.. thats why i have been paying him a shit ton of money to do all these test... because i was hoping to find an off balance that we could correct and get me down some what... but no.. hes basicly giving up on me. my doc stood back, looking at me, telling me,. you dont look as heavy as you are, you carry it well.. but why are you so big? .... i donno doc thats what i have been asking you for years .... and he looked so confused,. he told me " if i didnt know you .. and just looked at your chart.. and all the test results i would think you were an avrage man, untill i get to your weight, then it all changes how are you so .. for lack or a better term healty other then your BMI" so as a last effort im going to go down to the gym and push.. i hope to go between tows, jump on somthing for 15 mins at a time 3 times aday or somthing... ill give it three months and if i cant manage it then i guess ill have no choice but to look into it.. but i really cant afford it.... i really dont want to do it.... i just wanna be fucking normal not skinny. just a normal chunky fucking dude. I wish I was there to help. If anything, low impact/long time/interval cardio might be the best thing right now. Many programs recently just point to very high intensity workouts where form is lost often. But the issue with that is for those who are not used to working out on a daily or near daily basis, many of them drop out fast or their body is just not ready for such a big transition. On the biggest loser, (not at all saying you need to be on there, just using an example) he is just pushing them for hours on hard cardio because they are focused on the number on the scale. Some weight training is always key, as muscle may weight nearly 4x fat, but muscle mass is much more dense and takes up so much less space. It is great to see a lot of women recently that are not stuck on the scale number, but focused on BFP and fitness. Many are actually gaining some weight, but looking worlds harder/better/faster/stronger, work it, make it, do it, makes us.. Anyway, excuse my DP moment, maybe start off by joining D at the gym, because for so many the hardest part is getting there.