altoncustomtech

Well the exact sound is completely install dependent. The vehicle, enclosure, placement, crossover and eq settings all play a part in the overall sound of the system. Like I said before, IF it is PROPERLY installed then those subs will sound very good and get plenty loud on that amp. Although, if you're really trying to ask how loud the setup will be there's other subs available to run on that power that are designed more for SPL than the XCON's and could possibly save you some money. On the same note, if you're really concerned about the SQ of them, there's nothing to worry about from what I've read the XCON's are some of the best overall sounding subwoofers available by many counts. Also, as far as the Sundown 3500, I doubt there's any way that it would give you any problems with either the SPL or SQ of that setup.

Well, that's top notch equipment. If it's PROPERLY built and installed then it would be VERY hard to beat. Thing is, you'll have to add a lot more than just the amp and subs to run that equipment PROPERLY. For that amp you'll need a very stiff electrical system, BIG 3, HO alternator, at least three 100Ah batteries, all 1/0 AWG wire to start. You should also consider the components and amps it will take to keep up with the substage. Last but not least is a properly built and braced enclosure AND sound deadening. That's what you really need to use that system to it's full potential, at the very least the electrical to keep from sending the amp, subs or both to an early grave.

Thanks watts, I will as soon as the temps get better, body filler and figerglass resin don't do well in freezing temperatures from what I understand. I wasn't worried Denim just hoped the guys at work didn't do anything unusual with it. More pictures will be up when the 100.4 gets here and the other goodies (1500D and SA-8's when they ship ) and of course the build log when the weather gets good enough.

Thanks fan, I'm glad to finally have something worth the purchase! Small Town, I don't know what you think of your Hifonics or what you have had to compare them to but I was never impressed with mine. I've had a BXi2006D and a ZXi6006 for a few years now and when I first bought them I liked them alot. Then I went to some car shows, listened to amps from Zapco, Audison, Arc Audio, Image Dynamics, and many other good brands. The guys were cool enough to let me hear their cars on music I was VERY familiar with and it about took my breath away. Now, there's many many diffrences between mine and their systems including the speakers themselves, the installations and everything so it wasn't an apples to apples comparison. However, after getting home I could hear a difference I can only describe as grainy. I took my O-scope and started playing with the system and sure enough, the distortion starts climbing on the Hifonics amps long before they're maxed out. I then referrenced my system with a friend's all Boston Acoustics setup, swapping out amps between the vehicles and everything. It was then I realized exactly what the difference in quality really is. I was actually hearing the small amount of distortion at moderate volume levels and when compared to the quiet, controlled sound of the Boston amp the Hifonics amps sounded like crap. I was hell bent on getting new ones after that and now I'm almost there.

Thanks guys! I can't wait for the weather to improve so I can get my amp rack rebuilt and listen to what the Q's sound like on it. The Hifonics amps have such a dirty sound to them, I'm looking forward to listening to some quality amplification both for the subs and the components.

First of all, I'd like to thank the staff at SSA and Sundown Audio for putting up with my constant stream of questions and for getting this thing out so fast. After getting this one I'm looking forward to getting the 100.4, it must be a beast too. I can't get over how much heavier the Sundown is than my Hifonics. Based on weight alone I don't know how the Hifonics had enough power supply to it to produce 2kW and I know it wasn't. Thanks again to SSA and Sundown and now for a few pics. Too cool, individually tested before they're shipped!

Exactly, that's for running a second alternator to separate the car's electrical from the audio electrical. The relay is used to disconnect the trigger lead on the alternator so it doesn't run the battery down. Since you're just wanting to parallel the alts, it doesn't apply to your particular agenda. You'll be just fine hooking the alts up in parallel. I've seen quite a few service vehicles (ambulance's, fire trucks, etc.) that use dual alts paralleled with nothing special on them as well.

If you notice, they have several alternators all wired to each other parallel before it goes to the big buss bar on the side.

Here's some pics under the hood of that truck. Alma Gate's Bronco

That article is still talking about AC generators, NOT DC output alternators. Yes an alternator creates AC voltage internally but the final product IS DC and does not have a PHASE to it. If you want proof that it's okay to hook them directly up in parallel go look at some of the under-hood photos available at some of the competition organization and such websites. I remember specifically in a Car Audio & Electronics magazine article a '86 Ford Bronco that competed in the 170+ class with two dozen alternators under the hood on a specially built plate. All the wires went directly from the alts to the buss bars on the ump-teen-hundred batteries in the thing. It was hands down the craziest electrical I've ever seen and I'm sure it took all that 460BB (or 490, or whatever monster big block ford had back in the day can't remember what the article said was in it now) had just to turn the alts under load. Here's an introduction link to the article on the website. Alma Gates - 20th Anniversary 1986 Ford Bronco

It is a good sub, and it's a VERY good brand. BUT you have to purchase subwoofers for the intended application, not try to force it to do something it's not designed to do.

If it's going into a truck you've purchased the wrong subwoofer. Did you buy it new or used? If you bought it new, email Nick or Scott at Fi IMMEDIATELY before you put any more play time on it. See if they might be willing to work out a trade of some kind on here. If not, then see if there's someone on here looking for an IB with something to trade that could be useful to you. There's just no easy way to say this, you bought the wrong subwoofer for the wrong application.

I thought about it, but he's probably getting tired of hearing from me. LOL I've been asking quite a few questions lately. One thing I know for sure is, he sure does take care of his customers.

That's fantastic! Now, does anyone know how to get ahold of Derrick?

You are not listening to what everyone is trying to tell you. There is no enclosure you can put it into that will make it sound like it should, none. That subwoofer is not designed to be used in an enclosure at all. Read up on Infinite Baffle setups a little bit, you'll see what we're all trying to tell you.

Okay, I'm pretty sure that it means the box is tuned to 39hz and the F3 at 33hz means that's the -3dB point in the response. Now, take that with a grain of salt cuz my head's been a little fuzzy lately (damn cold medicine).

A DMM will tell all, usually. If the amp is powering up, have you checked to see if its going into protect? If it's going into protect you may have a wiring problem or a bad amp (it happens, even new) Have you connected the old speaker to the new amp to see if you had sound? This would tell you whether the problem is with the amp or the subs. Have you tried hooking the subs up seperately (one at a time)? Doing this could tell you whether or not you have just one wired incorrectly or have some other problem with one of them. Try this stuff and see what you get.

Jacob, are the prices on the T's still the same as they were in the original post? I need to know this was originally posted in '08, figured the price has changed some one way or the other. Also, do you guys happen to send decals/stickers with the amps when someone buys them or are they seperate?

I think the first thing you should do is try to figure out why the remote power wire is low on volts, that's the most important thing. If you can't find the problem or a solution right away the EASIEST way to fix it is to disconnect the remote wire from the remote lead on the HU and hook it up to the 12v switched wire (usually red on the HU harness) so that the amp(s) simply turn off and on with the key like the stereo does. Also, if when you do this there still isn't enough voltage to turn the amp on then your remote wire is bad.

Was that prototype testing for the DCON by chance Denim? I think I have to agree that 10k is just too much for a single amp. The current demand alone makes running something like that completely uneconomical for a daily driver and almost completely so for competition as well for many of the reasons stated above. I find it interesting that AQ is making such a big move like that. Seems like they'd put that time into another sub line or improving the amplifiers they have now.

That is great! It's always nice to have room to work in. After my dad passed away last year I got the shop he worked on all his farm equipment in. It's big enough to fit a whole Massey Ferguson 860 4wd harvester + the 1978 El Camino SS that he never finished in front of it. I've done A LOT of work in that shop in the last year, so I know how it feels to have room to work AND breath at the same time. LOL BTW, what is Mantis?

Thanks Jay-Cee I'll do that.

Do the dealers have any literature, catalog or something like that on the AA products? I've been interested in everything I've read on the midbass/components but as we know none of the info is on the website.

Where the hell are you guys finding these components or poly's? I've been all over AA's website and have never seen these animals.

Yes, that is correct. Don't worry, once you've been in the game awhile this will all come a lot easier. A person has to start and learn somewhere, and by the look of your setup so far you're way ahead of the game compared to where most of us (especially me) started. Good luck with the build, make sure you take pictures and start a build log too!