I also don't see how forcing every American to get health insurance is "charity"

What will pay for those that do not have, or cannot afford insurance, or live under a bridge?

We aren't giving away free insurance (other than the Medicaid and Medicare programs already in place); people will still have to buy into private insurance plans

If the employer has to pay, or it's subsidised(which it is) then the employee and the buisness owner both pay.

I also don't see how forcing every American to get health insurance is "charity"

What will pay for those that do not have, or cannot afford insurance, or live under a bridge?

We aren't giving away free insurance (other than the Medicaid and Medicare programs already in place); people will still have to buy into private insurance plans

If the employer has to pay, or it's subsidised(which it is) then the employee and the buisness owner both pay.

The business owner doesn't have to provide insurance unless he has 50 full time employees; I'm pretty sure a company that size can afford some sort of insurance plan for its employees

Also, most the petroleum products in both your car and in your house, as well as the vast majority of the foods in your grocery store are federally subsidized, and have been for decades. I haven't heard a whimper from anyone about this other than environmental activists.

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damnit I need some sleep

Yet this was pushed, forced and manipulated through the law making process. The top executive branch then held the rest of the process at mercy and said it would just be shoved through a different avenue if it wasn't accepted by the house/senate.

Sounds like just another day at the White House to me

No lie there and I agree. The Bush guys were kings at that. 9/11 anyone? That's why I followed up with my second point.

This change isn't popular, and it isn't in reaction to some need or disaster. It has only one reason to do it, and that's ensure the political power and position.

I also don't see how forcing every American to get health insurance is "charity"

What will pay for those that do not have, or cannot afford insurance, or live under a bridge?

We aren't giving away free insurance (other than the Medicaid and Medicare programs already in place); people will still have to buy into private insurance plans

If the employer has to pay, or it's subsidised(which it is) then the employee and the buisness owner both pay.

The business owner doesn't have to provide insurance unless he has 50 full time employees; I'm pretty sure a company that size can afford some sort of insurance plan for its employees

Also, most the petroleum products in both your car and in your house, as well as the vast majority of the foods in your grocery store are federally subsidized, and have been for decades. I haven't heard a whimper from anyone about this other than environmental activists.

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damnit I need some sleep

I'll be fair and give you that you can see fuel as subsidized... But most via the fact it's just merely taxed less. Also, my point though is that people want low cost fuel. I don't agree with it in general, accept that any market you reduce taxes in will thrive. Reduce taxes in all markets and then natural selection will go into effect and people would then be more natural. Of course it's wrong to falsly inflate the car/fuel market, but lowering a tax is different from flat out subsidization.

Again, the general public want cheep fuel anyway. They don't wanty this form of welfare. Both are examples of shifting money from one market to another for a specific agenda. One however causes less income, the other causes more debt.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree

...that and the fact that this diarrhea is making it hard for me to stay on task

Exactly how my kitties feel

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree

...that and the fact that this diarrhea is making it hard for me to stay on task

Touche, but I bet we are probably wishing for the same net result. The ability to discuss this and even more so act as individuals is what is truely great.

"stay on target..... STAY ON TARGET!!!"

diarrhea is just a fun word to say

diarrhea diarrhea diarrhea diarrhea diarrhea diarrhea diarrhea diarrhea diarrhea diarrhea diarrhea

I remember a song as a kid like that...

Sightmark Accudot 243 Laser Boresight

Uhhh

I think the Immodium is starting to work, thank god...I will need a doughnut pillow though

"customer service is like taking a bath. You have to keep doing it."

OMG!!

Toys R us + gunz!

Is toys R us a texas based company?

Jersey I think

I can almost guarantee one outcome of this bill: Republicans will most likely take control of Congress in November, with anywhere from a fourth to half of said Republicans being either neocons or teabaggers. Oh the humanity...

You may have just mentioned the worst pragmatic problem of this bill.

Thank You?

You're Welcome?

Thank You?

You're Welcome?

Probably "We'll both be sorry"

I shiver at the idea of people with a mind like glen beck having any say.

We have killed the hop.

I blame S Palin AKA "she who shall not be named"...

I try my best to not even get into discussing politics.

Thank You?

You're Welcome?

Probably "We'll both be sorry"

I shiver at the idea of people with a mind like glen beck having any say.

Glen Beck, Mitch McConnell, Sarah Palin, Louie Gohmert, John Cornyn the list goes on and on and on