I'll tell you the Wrangler MT/R is not good in the snow at all. It's a rock crawl/dirt road/mudding tire. Do they still make the old regular MT anymore? I haven't seen any in a long time. For that matter, most off road, block/knobby-tread style tires are not good in the snow. You really need continuous/closely spaced tread patterns to be good in snow.

I believe they are not making the MTR anymore ? Though I'm not sure. Too expensive either way IMO.

I ended up with the wrangler duratrac from goodyear for the expy.

i went with some TOYO A/T from exp

Open country A/T's?

I wanted bigger lugs with more snow throwing powa. If I don't like these I'll switch to the MT kuhmos or the goodyear wrangler MT style. I think the wrangler duratec will be better in snow than the wrangler MT version.

Go for AT's if you want better snow performance. Or even better, snow tires.

My worn Pirelli Scorpion AT's did well on snow.

The problem with today's youth is they have no work ethics installed growing up. Not all the parents fault, but more the way our society is set up now-a-days.

Sadly, IMO it is the parent's fault. When I grew up I got my ass kicked for disobedience and for not doing my chores. Bad grades? Ass kicking and grounded forever. When I did poorly in school, I got an F not an "E" for needs more effort. When we failed a grade, we were held back.

We were accountable for our actions. If we didn't do what we were supposed to we got stomped on. Nowadays I see my son's friends getting brand new cell phones and dirt bikes and stupid shit just because they brought that D up to a C.

Kids are coddled today by society, but they are learning this at home.

I still stomp my son if he doesn't do right. I take away the things that matter most, and I don't make a big deal out of a good grade. It is expected. If he gets a bad grade though, he knows he will get his ass kicked. That is called parenting.

I agree in general, I do usually follow the reward good behavior thing. I wouldn't however throw praise for bringing up a D to a C. Good grades are A's. And I sure as heck wouldn't buy them anything epic for doing it.

rent to own is basically legalized loansharking...which is great if you want to open a business and have little in the way of ethics

Someone is Jelly.

I'll tell you the Wrangler MT/R is not good in the snow at all. It's a rock crawl/dirt road/mudding tire. Do they still make the old regular MT anymore? I haven't seen any in a long time. For that matter, most off road, block/knobby-tread style tires are not good in the snow. You really need continuous/closely spaced tread patterns to be good in snow.

What's funny is the kuhmo MT tires get great snow reviews.

They are siped, no wonder

A friend of mine has KL71's on his Defender, only good things to say about them in snow. I can't complain with the Bighorns either. But the Bighorns are a soft compound. Can't wait to get a set of rims and get some street rubber.

rent to own is basically legalized loansharking...which is great if you want to open a business and have little in the way of ethics

Basically why I don't think I could ever own a business. All the things that make good money are things I wish Americans would stop doing. I wouldn't cut corners which would cut my profit and people don't want to pay higher prices for the better quality so I lose money.

To make big money you have to sell high volume. It's easier to sell high volumes of turds than it is to sell high volumes of good American made stuff. I have a feeling Aaron may feel the same way...

The only way I've seen something good quality sell a lot of is when the company pushes the product as something that its not, claims that its more than it really is, and it usually is just a mark up because of the brand name when their is a product just as good for less available elsewhere.

Some people pay for quality still. But the businesses you need to be in for that are along the lines of home theater/audio (I mean like high end stuff, not Joe Schmo off the street Best Buy crap), custom home design, like cabinetmaking, etc., and performance automotive for example.

When I was working at a performance shop in So Cal it was not unusual to have a $20,000 ticket. Typically we would get a GN in there that needed to be brought up to snuff. Maybe $4-5K to get the car back to normal, then we had certain grades of performance mods. For $4K we would modify the intercooler, put a solid MAF Pipe on it, put a TA49 turbo on it, chip it, and a cat back hooker system. This would net them a second easily. Add a nice 3 inch downpipe to the mix with a better wastegate for another grand. Then we would offer other upgrades for better times, like Bilsteins, variable rate rear coils, new front coils, new sway bars, and adjustable trailing arms, along with a resetting of pinion angle for more traction for another $4K...

But simple packaging like that in a niche market where people have play money makes it work. But you need to target people with extra cash doing things they really want, not things they have to do. Even in the performance shop you would see it, a guy would spend $10,000 on a motor and the 1sec upgrade I listed above, but he would shit a pickle sideways if you told him he had to fix something that was broken on the car.

Edited July 7, 201015 yr by sandt38

Go for AT's if you want better snow performance. Or even better, snow tires.

My worn Pirelli Scorpion AT's did well on snow.

I had these. I got these.

The problem with today's youth is they have no work ethics installed growing up. Not all the parents fault, but more the way our society is set up now-a-days.

Sadly, IMO it is the parent's fault. When I grew up I got my ass kicked for disobedience and for not doing my chores. Bad grades? Ass kicking and grounded forever. When I did poorly in school, I got an F not an "E" for needs more effort. When we failed a grade, we were held back.

That's stupid. "needs more effort", what a way to keep a warm fuzzy feeeling...

rent to own is basically legalized loansharking...which is great if you want to open a business and have little in the way of ethics

Someone is Jelly.

not jelly, just pissed I have this annoying "integrity" thing

Go for AT's if you want better snow performance. Or even better, snow tires.

My worn Pirelli Scorpion AT's did well on snow.

I had these. I got these.

Duratrac's look way more apropriate for some wheeling

Kind of similar looking to the Scorpion AT.

I sure wish I had Boggers or Super Swampers 2 weekends ago. Lost all traction uphill, steep grassy, wet slope and almost rolled when doing a J-turn....

Jimmy Cliff makes a hard day easier

epic license plate

rent to own is basically legalized loansharking...which is great if you want to open a business and have little in the way of ethics

Someone is Jelly.

not jelly, just pissed I have this annoying "integrity" thing

So if I buy an apartment with mortgage and rent it so I can pay for the mortgage, it's called loansharking ?

That's stupid. "needs more effort", what a way to keep a warm fuzzy feeeling...

I shit you not. My youngest son came home last year with an E on his test I needed to sign. I asked the teacher what an E was and she told me that... needs more effort.

I said, "Oh, so you mean he failed?"

She said, "Well, yes but we aren't allowed to tell them that".

So I told him that. "This isn't needing more effort, you failed. You didn't meet the minimum requirements showing that you studied for this test. You are, basically, a loser. Grab a mop and start learning how to use it boy, because you are heading straight for an employment opportunity in the custodial arts".

Then I beat his butt.

He hasn't brought home an E since.

Jimmy Cliff makes a hard day easier

The same thing could be said about Bree Olsen, yes?

I got these TIRES. I run mostly all toyo tires good for everything want to try yokohama for car tires.

Michelin FTMFW!

I only put Harmonys on my cars.

On MY GN I have to put BFGs just because only them and Kelly makes tires to fit the rear on it. But I go through tires on that car quick.

I'll tell you the Wrangler MT/R is not good in the snow at all. It's a rock crawl/dirt road/mudding tire. Do they still make the old regular MT anymore? I haven't seen any in a long time. For that matter, most off road, block/knobby-tread style tires are not good in the snow. You really need continuous/closely spaced tread patterns to be good in snow.

What's funny is the kuhmo MT tires get great snow reviews.

They are siped, no wonder

A friend of mine has KL71's on his Defender, only good things to say about them in snow. I can't complain with the Bighorns either. But the Bighorns are a soft compound. Can't wait to get a set of rims and get some street rubber.

SOrry I meant these. No sipey sipey.

rent to own is basically legalized loansharking...which is great if you want to open a business and have little in the way of ethics

Someone is Jelly.

not jelly, just pissed I have this annoying "integrity" thing

That's an evolutionary defect on your part.

Go for AT's if you want better snow performance. Or even better, snow tires.

My worn Pirelli Scorpion AT's did well on snow.

I had these. I got these.

Duratrac's look way more apropriate for some wheeling

Kind of similar looking to the Scorpion AT.

I sure wish I had Boggers or Super Swampers 2 weekends ago. Lost all traction uphill, steep grassy, wet slope and almost rolled when doing a J-turn....

I keep calling them duratec's lol. I talked to a guy who had them at the shop and I think with all the siping and the way the tread blocks are close, then spaced then close again it helps in snow. The siping will help on ice. They did recomend I rotate etc every 3500 miles to make them last the longest.

It's odd that they would recomend that as they have to do it for free for me. Little do they know I will show up every time I change my damn oil.

I'll tell you the Wrangler MT/R is not good in the snow at all. It's a rock crawl/dirt road/mudding tire. Do they still make the old regular MT anymore? I haven't seen any in a long time. For that matter, most off road, block/knobby-tread style tires are not good in the snow. You really need continuous/closely spaced tread patterns to be good in snow.

What's funny is the kuhmo MT tires get great snow reviews.

They are siped, no wonder

A friend of mine has KL71's on his Defender, only good things to say about them in snow. I can't complain with the Bighorns either. But the Bighorns are a soft compound. Can't wait to get a set of rims and get some street rubber.

SOrry I meant these. No sipey sipey.

Small cuts in the outer lugs, isn't that what siped means ?

I got these TIRES. I run mostly all toyo tires good for everything want to try yokohama for car tires.

MMM, I'd love some Open Country MT's. Eff Toyo for not making them in 29 or 30" flavour

rent to own is basically legalized loansharking...which is great if you want to open a business and have little in the way of ethics

Someone is Jelly.

not jelly, just pissed I have this annoying "integrity" thing

So if I buy an apartment with mortgage and rent it so I can pay for the mortgage, it's called loansharking ?

I was referring to Rent To Own stores, which are considered by most as predatory lenders (like payday loans, title loans, and refund anticipation loans)

I'll tell you the Wrangler MT/R is not good in the snow at all. It's a rock crawl/dirt road/mudding tire. Do they still make the old regular MT anymore? I haven't seen any in a long time. For that matter, most off road, block/knobby-tread style tires are not good in the snow. You really need continuous/closely spaced tread patterns to be good in snow.

What's funny is the kuhmo MT tires get great snow reviews.

They are siped, no wonder

A friend of mine has KL71's on his Defender, only good things to say about them in snow. I can't complain with the Bighorns either. But the Bighorns are a soft compound. Can't wait to get a set of rims and get some street rubber.

SOrry I meant these. No sipey sipey.

Small cuts in the outer lugs, isn't that what siped means ?

They are lines cut into the rubber at 90 to the base tread, and they are cut all the way across the tire tread, not just the outer lug. It creates a more flexible, easily conforming tread, and also aids in gripping during braking and acceleration.

I got these TIRES. I run mostly all toyo tires good for everything want to try yokohama for car tires.

I used yoko paradas on my jetta and with those and heavier rims I could outpace audi a4's with average rubber, even in the rain and they have their fancy AWD.

I could not however even move in the snow.... yikes that was bad.

I'll tell you the Wrangler MT/R is not good in the snow at all. It's a rock crawl/dirt road/mudding tire. Do they still make the old regular MT anymore? I haven't seen any in a long time. For that matter, most off road, block/knobby-tread style tires are not good in the snow. You really need continuous/closely spaced tread patterns to be good in snow.

What's funny is the kuhmo MT tires get great snow reviews.

They are siped, no wonder

A friend of mine has KL71's on his Defender, only good things to say about them in snow. I can't complain with the Bighorns either. But the Bighorns are a soft compound. Can't wait to get a set of rims and get some street rubber.

SOrry I meant these. No sipey sipey.

Small cuts in the outer lugs, isn't that what siped means ?

They are lines cut into the rubber at 90 to the base tread, and they are cut all the way across the tire tread, not just the outer lug. It creates a more flexible, easily conforming tread, and also aids in gripping during braking and acceleration.

I learned something new today, thank you