Just showed up today. Need a bit of tweaking still (they don't have the stiffer surround on them yet, etc) but at least we have the first looks at them and our new terminal blocks too :thumbsup:

* Z v.4 12 on the left and X-12 on the right.

* Z v.4 12 on the left and X-12 on the right.

* New terminal blocks !

* Z style spider -- these will feature one fewer layer than the Z models. Coil is also lighter on these but overall FS should be right at or slightly below the Z counterparts in stock format.

* Essentially looks like a "mini-Z" style motor... 190mm magnet vs. 220mm on the Z series / 66mm tall stack vs. 75mm tall stack / thinner steel / less expensive round wire coil vs. flat wire in the Z, etc, etc.

There are no release dates?

the new Z v.4 remain in the price of Z.v3?

or will the price of the nightshade?

and this new "X" will be between the Z and SA

I think all these new products are wonderful! 2013 will be a spectacular

I might be looking at a shadow, but does the newer one have less cooling? ie I cant see the coil as well on the newer version.

The new frames use our tooled vent spacers -- which have less total open area, yes. This is not a mistake and is not less cooling