It's funny you guys focused on one of the subs I ,mentioned. Having seen the vvx's used a few big builds down here, they did just fine. SSA makes good subs, but it's not the only subs out there. You guys act like they're the only subs people can use and everything else sucks.

Its funny how you can comment on subs you haven't used and have only "seen used in big builds".

Havoc = I was not very impressed by the driver, had good output but didn't wow me in any way.

LMS-r = Great driver if you want to go sealed, didn't impress me in ported applications.

Axis = Haven't used it but I have a LA Storm neo and it is a good driver surprisingly loud on low power, so if the AXIS is like the storm it should be a good driver but not for the price tag.

ZVX = Haven't used and wont after the experience with the VVX

DP = Haven't used, isn't my style of sub but have used IA products and one of theirs is one of my favorites.

ICON = Good output low end is great.

GCON = like the older ICON specs are very close, good output with good low end.

What's funny is, the subs I use, you can't buy unless I sell them to someone. Or you build some yourself.

Oh and it wasn't just "seen in big builds" God forbid I don't post up everything I do. But carry on since you're an expert in every driver ever made.

Never claimed to be an expert but I have personally used and still have most of the drivers you listed or a variant of them. The VVX was the worst one. Don't get all butt hurt and then try to act high and mighty because you use franken woofers that you think are so special.

It's funny you guys focused on one of the subs I ,mentioned. Having seen the vvx's used a few big builds down here, they did just fine. SSA makes good subs, but it's not the only subs out there. You guys act like they're the only subs people can use and everything else sucks.

Its funny how you can comment on subs you haven't used and have only "seen used in big builds".

Havoc = I was not very impressed by the driver, had good output but didn't wow me in any way.

LMS-r = Great driver if you want to go sealed, didn't impress me in ported applications.

Axis = Haven't used it but I have a LA Storm neo and it is a good driver surprisingly loud on low power, so if the AXIS is like the storm it should be a good driver but not for the price tag.

ZVX = Haven't used and wont after the experience with the VVX

DP = Haven't used, isn't my style of sub but have used IA products and one of theirs is one of my favorites.

ICON = Good output low end is great.

GCON = like the older ICON specs are very close, good output with good low end.

What's funny is, the subs I use, you can't buy unless I sell them to someone. Or you build some yourself.

Oh and it wasn't just "seen in big builds" God forbid I don't post up everything I do. But carry on since you're an expert in every driver ever made.

Never claimed to be an expert but I have personally used and still have most of the drivers you listed or a variant of them. The VVX was the worst one. Don't get all butt hurt and then try to act high and mighty because you use franken woofers that you think are so special.

The only person acting high and mighty is you lol. The word variant seems to be used quite excessively lately, which usually means squat. No butt hurt here either, since you're obviously upset about my woofers.

Edited December 10, 201212 yr by armykyle1

It's funny you guys focused on one of the subs I ,mentioned. Having seen the vvx's used a few big builds down here, they did just fine. SSA makes good subs, but it's not the only subs out there. You guys act like they're the only subs people can use and everything else sucks.

Its funny how you can comment on subs you haven't used and have only "seen used in big builds".

Havoc = I was not very impressed by the driver, had good output but didn't wow me in any way.

LMS-r = Great driver if you want to go sealed, didn't impress me in ported applications.

Axis = Haven't used it but I have a LA Storm neo and it is a good driver surprisingly loud on low power, so if the AXIS is like the storm it should be a good driver but not for the price tag.

ZVX = Haven't used and wont after the experience with the VVX

DP = Haven't used, isn't my style of sub but have used IA products and one of theirs is one of my favorites.

ICON = Good output low end is great.

GCON = like the older ICON specs are very close, good output with good low end.

What's funny is, the subs I use, you can't buy unless I sell them to someone. Or you build some yourself.

Oh and it wasn't just "seen in big builds" God forbid I don't post up everything I do. But carry on since you're an expert in every driver ever made.

The only person acting high and mighty is you lol. The word variant seems to be used quite excessively lately, which usually means squat. No butt hurt hear either, since you're obviously upset about my woofers.

Sign of being butt hurt.

Trying to act high and mighty.

Posting experiences, not acting high and mighty or butt hurt.

Not upset about your woofers as they have no value to the discussion, but you somehow felt the need to bring up that you use woofers that are put together from miscellaneous parts.

I have noted where the variant came into the situation, but it still doesn't change my feeling that the Axis isn't worth the 400+ dollar price tag.

It's funny you guys focused on one of the subs I ,mentioned. Having seen the vvx's used a few big builds down here, they did just fine. SSA makes good subs, but it's not the only subs out there. You guys act like they're the only subs people can use and everything else sucks.

Its funny how you can comment on subs you haven't used and have only "seen used in big builds".

Havoc = I was not very impressed by the driver, had good output but didn't wow me in any way.

LMS-r = Great driver if you want to go sealed, didn't impress me in ported applications.

Axis = Haven't used it but I have a LA Storm neo and it is a good driver surprisingly loud on low power, so if the AXIS is like the storm it should be a good driver but not for the price tag.

ZVX = Haven't used and wont after the experience with the VVX

DP = Haven't used, isn't my style of sub but have used IA products and one of theirs is one of my favorites.

ICON = Good output low end is great.

GCON = like the older ICON specs are very close, good output with good low end.

What's funny is, the subs I use, you can't buy unless I sell them to someone. Or you build some yourself.

Oh and it wasn't just "seen in big builds" God forbid I don't post up everything I do. But carry on since you're an expert in every driver ever made.

The only person acting high and mighty is you lol. The word variant seems to be used quite excessively lately, which usually means squat. No butt hurt hear either, since you're obviously upset about my woofers.

Sign of being butt hurt.

Trying to act high and mighty.

Posting experiences, not acting high and mighty or butt hurt.

Not upset about your woofers as they have no value to the discussion, but you somehow felt the need to bring up that you use woofers that are put together from miscellaneous parts.

I have noted where the variant came into the situation, but it still doesn't change my feeling that the Axis isn't worth the 400+ dollar price tag.

If you weren't butt hurt or trying to act high and mighty, you wouldn't continue on this conversation in this manner. I really don't understand why you're so upset. you and a few others with your continual negative attitude on here really hurts this forum. I already see other members posting elsewhere because of it.

But for shits and giggles post up your builds with all these various drivers.

Same could be said about you.

Pictures are already floating around.

It's funny you guys focused on one of the subs I ,mentioned. Having seen the vvx's used a few big builds down here, they did just fine. SSA makes good subs, but it's not the only subs out there. You guys act like they're the only subs people can use and everything else sucks.

Its funny how you can comment on subs you haven't used and have only "seen used in big builds".

Havoc = I was not very impressed by the driver, had good output but didn't wow me in any way.

LMS-r = Great driver if you want to go sealed, didn't impress me in ported applications.

Axis = Haven't used it but I have a LA Storm neo and it is a good driver surprisingly loud on low power, so if the AXIS is like the storm it should be a good driver but not for the price tag.

ZVX = Haven't used and wont after the experience with the VVX

DP = Haven't used, isn't my style of sub but have used IA products and one of theirs is one of my favorites.

ICON = Good output low end is great.

GCON = like the older ICON specs are very close, good output with good low end.

What's funny is, the subs I use, you can't buy unless I sell them to someone. Or you build some yourself.

Oh and it wasn't just "seen in big builds" God forbid I don't post up everything I do. But carry on since you're an expert in every driver ever made.

Never claimed to be an expert but I have personally used and still have most of the drivers you listed or a variant of them. The VVX was the worst one. Don't get all butt hurt and then try to act high and mighty because you use franken woofers that you think are so special.

The only person acting high and mighty is you lol. The word variant seems to be used quite excessively lately, which usually means squat. No butt hurt here either, since you're obviously upset about my woofers.

Perhaps I'm a terrible reader, but you did sound like you were bragging with your drivers that no one else can even buy.

Since Bromo and I opposed the skar drivers it must mean we're in some conspiracy group with the sole goal of destroying skar audio.

We're actually accepting applications here: [email protected]

Edited December 10, 201212 yr by stefanhinote

It's funny you guys focused on one of the subs I ,mentioned. Having seen the vvx's used a few big builds down here, they did just fine. SSA makes good subs, but it's not the only subs out there. You guys act like they're the only subs people can use and everything else sucks.

Its funny how you can comment on subs you haven't used and have only "seen used in big builds".

Havoc = I was not very impressed by the driver, had good output but didn't wow me in any way.

LMS-r = Great driver if you want to go sealed, didn't impress me in ported applications.

Axis = Haven't used it but I have a LA Storm neo and it is a good driver surprisingly loud on low power, so if the AXIS is like the storm it should be a good driver but not for the price tag.

ZVX = Haven't used and wont after the experience with the VVX

DP = Haven't used, isn't my style of sub but have used IA products and one of theirs is one of my favorites.

ICON = Good output low end is great.

GCON = like the older ICON specs are very close, good output with good low end.

What's funny is, the subs I use, you can't buy unless I sell them to someone. Or you build some yourself.

Oh and it wasn't just "seen in big builds" God forbid I don't post up everything I do. But carry on since you're an expert in every driver ever made.

Never claimed to be an expert but I have personally used and still have most of the drivers you listed or a variant of them. The VVX was the worst one. Don't get all butt hurt and then try to act high and mighty because you use franken woofers that you think are so special.

The only person acting high and mighty is you lol. The word variant seems to be used quite excessively lately, which usually means squat. No butt hurt here either, since you're obviously upset about my woofers.

Perhaps I'm a terrible reader, but you did sound like you were bragging with your drivers that no one else can even buy.

Since Bromo and I opposed the skar drivers it must mean we're in some conspiracy group with the sole goal of destroying skar audio.

We're actually accepting applications here: [email protected]

Not bragging, informing. Not something you can buy a recone for. Like I said, too much negativity... If someone has a personal vendetta against a company, that's on them. It doesn't effect me either way...

Edited December 10, 201212 yr by armykyle1

Same could be said about you.

Pictures are already floating around.

I'm not claiming I've used all those drivers. Most of the drivers I've used are in my build log. There might be one or two that's not. Other drivers I've had hands on with aren't in my build log, because it's not my build log. So I don't know what you're asking about...

Like the great Jackie Moon said, "E.L.E. Everybody Love Everybody!" hahahah

I've personally used the Skar VVX's and I was not impressed.

I have used the vvx skars and was't impressed at all!

I've never used Skar products, but I hate the name ! even if I don't speak english fluently !!! It's a bit scary !!!

Like the great Jackie Moon said, "E.L.E. Everybody Love Everybody!" hahahah

I've personally used the Skar VVX's and I was not impressed.

we dont even got corn dogs

so im thinking about going with the sa's unless anyone has any ideas that will get louder than 4 sa 15s for under 900 thats really what im going for just to get louder than everyone else they dont absolutley have to be 15s

so im thinking about going with the sa's unless anyone has any ideas that will get louder than 4 sa 15s for under 900 thats really what im going for just to get louder than everyone else they dont absolutley have to be 15s

If you have enough room for the 15's that will work fine.

4 sa15's will be loud as hell if done right. That would be my pick

Like the great Jackie Moon said, "E.L.E. Everybody Love Everybody!" hahahah

I've personally used the Skar VVX's and I was not impressed.

we dont even got corn dogs

Corn dogs Jackie! Corn dogs for all these people!! haha

I really did wish I bought 4 15" SAs instead of the 4 15" VVXs. I guess it really didn't matter because i'm only had them in for a month before i sold my trailblazer lol

SA's are my favorite entry level driver. They take a lot of abuse and sound good while doing it.Yes I have use SA's

does anyone have any expeirence with the american bass xfl 15s they look a little beefier than the sa's

So are the SSA Gcons!

I did a 138db on one 12" gcon.

Edited December 11, 201212 yr by pmureika

does anyone have any expeirence with the american bass xfl 15s they look a little beefier than the sa's

Looks don't always equate to loudness. Some manufacturers use big motors as marketing ploy. Looks bigger and "beefier," so it must get louder.

does anyone have any expeirence with the american bass xfl 15s they look a little beefier than the sa's

Looks don't always equate to loudness. Some manufacturers use big motors as marketing ploy. Looks bigger and "beefier," so it must get louder.

Not SSA!

Yeah I realize that but does anyone know if they are actually better or not?

Yeah I realize that but does anyone know if they are actually better or not?

Better for what? The only way to tell what sub is the best in your particular application is to test them all, too many factors to decide. But im pretty sure most will say SSA subs are better, just how it is around here.

SSA Icon > American Bass XFL > Sundown SA > Skar VVX

Yeah I realize that but does anyone know if they are actually better or not?

Better for what? The only way to tell what sub is the best in your particular application is to test them all, too many factors to decide. But im pretty sure most will say SSA subs are better, just how it is around here.

SSA Icon > American Bass XFL > Sundown SA > Skar VVX

I will take American built and wait for them. Thats how much better SSA subs are!

I'm really feeling the xfl I watched some videos on it and it was destroying cars with flex but I'm gonna stack some deadner in the ole Nissan