June 5, 201312 yr No problem.. I figured you misread that because i was about to go into beast mode with examples, lol. I make them for myself only. I offer no cosmetics like what toolmaker or projectdb can do.
June 5, 201312 yr No problem.. I figured you misread that because i was about to go into beast mode with examples, lol. I make them for myself only. I offer no cosmetics like what toolmaker or projectdb can do.Damn i was about to say I would pay you to make me some
June 5, 201312 yr Popular Post "2x 1/0 CCA has the capability of being just as strong if not stronger than 4/0-300MCM Copper." God dammit Shizzon, check you math before posting things like this.... THIS IS NOT REMOTELY CORRECT!!!
June 5, 201312 yr Popular Post 2X 1/0 = 107 mm^2 1X 4/0 = 107 mm^2 If you compare the 2 runs of CCA to the single run of Copper (the same cross sectional area) the Copper will absolutely destroy the CCA by a HUGE margin....
June 5, 201312 yr 2X 1/0 = 107 mm^2 1X 4/0 = 107 mm^2 If you compare the 2 runs of CCA to the single run of Copper (the same cross sectional area) the Copper will absolutely destroy the CCA by a HUGE margin....Find the nearest wall, and bang your head against it.
June 5, 201312 yr "2x 1/0 CCA has the capability of being just as strong if not stronger than 4/0-300MCM Copper." God dammit Shizzon, check you math before posting things like this.... THIS IS NOT REMOTELY CORRECT!!! God dammit again.. This chart i had.. i have been mis-interpreting it.. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! After doing some research.. YES! CCA's conductivity % to pure copper is almost the same % as pure aluminum which Gauge for Gauge is pathetic unless you are getting it for EXTREMELY EXTREMELY CHEAP. Well.. looks like i won't be using any of this left over CCA then, hehe. I need 200ft of 4/0.. looks like copper it is.. Dual 4/0 runs everywhere.
June 5, 201312 yr "2x 1/0 CCA has the capability of being just as strong if not stronger than 4/0-300MCM Copper." God dammit Shizzon, check you math before posting things like this.... THIS IS NOT REMOTELY CORRECT!!! God dammit again.. This chart i had.. i have been mis-interpreting it.. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! After doing some research.. YES! CCA's conductivity % to pure copper is almost the same % as pure aluminum which Gauge for Gauge is pathetic unless you are getting it for EXTREMELY EXTREMELY CHEAP. Well.. looks like i won't be using any of this left over CCA then, hehe. I need 200ft of 4/0.. looks like copper it is.. Dual 4/0 runs everywhere. I have had plenty of success with knukonceptz wire but I know there are cheaper options than that but still they give you a bargain for how thick their wire is.
June 5, 201312 yr "2x 1/0 CCA has the capability of being just as strong if not stronger than 4/0-300MCM Copper." God dammit Shizzon, check you math before posting things like this.... THIS IS NOT REMOTELY CORRECT!!! God dammit again.. This chart i had.. i have been mis-interpreting it.. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! After doing some research.. YES! CCA's conductivity % to pure copper is almost the same % as pure aluminum which Gauge for Gauge is pathetic unless you are getting it for EXTREMELY EXTREMELY CHEAP. Well.. looks like i won't be using any of this left over CCA then, hehe. I need 200ft of 4/0.. looks like copper it is.. Dual 4/0 runs everywhere.I have had plenty of success with knukonceptz wire but I know there are cheaper options than that but still they give you a bargain for how thick their wire is. "2x 1/0 CCA has the capability of being just as strong if not stronger than 4/0-300MCM Copper." God dammit Shizzon, check you math before posting things like this.... THIS IS NOT REMOTELY CORRECT!!! God dammit again.. This chart i had.. i have been mis-interpreting it.. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! After doing some research.. YES! CCA's conductivity % to pure copper is almost the same % as pure aluminum which Gauge for Gauge is pathetic unless you are getting it for EXTREMELY EXTREMELY CHEAP. Well.. looks like i won't be using any of this left over CCA then, hehe. I need 200ft of 4/0.. looks like copper it is.. Dual 4/0 runs everywhere.I have had plenty of success with knukonceptz wire but I know there are cheaper options than that but still they give you a bargain for how thick their wire is. Yes, i didn't want to say that but yes, Knu's CCA is oversized and says so on their website to alert you not to use their rating specifications to compare to other CCA.
June 5, 201312 yr "2x 1/0 CCA has the capability of being just as strong if not stronger than 4/0-300MCM Copper." God dammit Shizzon, check you math before posting things like this.... THIS IS NOT REMOTELY CORRECT!!! God dammit again.. This chart i had.. i have been mis-interpreting it.. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! After doing some research.. YES! CCA's conductivity % to pure copper is almost the same % as pure aluminum which Gauge for Gauge is pathetic unless you are getting it for EXTREMELY EXTREMELY CHEAP. Well.. looks like i won't be using any of this left over CCA then, hehe. I need 200ft of 4/0.. looks like copper it is.. Dual 4/0 runs everywhere.I have had plenty of success with knukonceptz wire but I know there are cheaper options than that but still they give you a bargain for how thick their wire is. "2x 1/0 CCA has the capability of being just as strong if not stronger than 4/0-300MCM Copper." God dammit Shizzon, check you math before posting things like this.... THIS IS NOT REMOTELY CORRECT!!! God dammit again.. This chart i had.. i have been mis-interpreting it.. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! After doing some research.. YES! CCA's conductivity % to pure copper is almost the same % as pure aluminum which Gauge for Gauge is pathetic unless you are getting it for EXTREMELY EXTREMELY CHEAP. Well.. looks like i won't be using any of this left over CCA then, hehe. I need 200ft of 4/0.. looks like copper it is.. Dual 4/0 runs everywhere.I have had plenty of success with knukonceptz wire but I know there are cheaper options than that but still they give you a bargain for how thick their wire is. Yes, i didn't want to say that but yes, Knu's CCA is oversized and says so on their website to alert you not to use their rating specifications to compare to other CCA. So in your opinion knu wire is a terrible product?
June 5, 201312 yr No, i mean they oversized their CCA to be "safe" to use without researching their wire.. When someone sees 1/0.. they expect 1/0 performance.. That's what i mean.If i see 1/0 with the ability of only supporting a portion of what i was expecting, i wouldn't probably buy it for a single run because of the voltage drop potential.
June 5, 201312 yr No, i mean they oversized their CCA to be "safe" to use without researching their wire.. When someone sees 1/0.. they expect 1/0 performance.. That's what i mean.If i see 1/0 with the ability of only supporting a portion of what i was expecting, i wouldn't probably buy it for a single run because of the voltage drop potential. I have their 1 gauge ofc cable and it is some if the thickest wire you can get
June 5, 201312 yr Knu's ofc is some of the best....their cca is alright. I liked Shok cca way better. Bigger and more flexible
June 5, 201312 yr Knu's ofc is some of the best....their cca is alright. I liked Shok cca way better. Bigger and more flexible I agree on the ofc wire but do not know anything about the CCA because I have never used it
June 5, 201312 yr do I need to upgrade im runnin 2 18's bc5500 at .5ohm 3 xs d3100's. in challenger the stock wire is 0 gauge copper and i have two runs of knu CCA. this thread had me thinking Edited June 5, 201312 yr by Nextiii
June 5, 201312 yr do I need to upgrade im runnin 2 18's bc5500 3 xs d3100's. in challenger the stock wire is 0 gauge copper and i have two runs of knu CCA. this thread had me thinking What size alternator (s) do you have?
June 5, 201312 yr stock 140 what in gods name is with you people and stock alternators. Get an upgraded alt or two man. That's where all of your power is generated from. Edited June 5, 201312 yr by mlcantin
June 6, 201312 yr uggghhh... THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OVERSIZED AWG(!)... They are either, #1 lying and miss-labeling the cable, or, #2 Just plain lying... Again, for the 20th time, AWG is cross-sectional area...
June 6, 201312 yr No, i mean they oversized their CCA to be "safe" to use without researching their wire.. When someone sees 1/0.. they expect 1/0 performance.. That's what i mean.If i see 1/0 with the ability of only supporting a portion of what i was expecting, i wouldn't probably buy it for a single run because of the voltage drop potential.I have their 1 gauge ofc cable and it is some if the thickest wire you can getAgain, this is what you guys are completely missing in this thread. The "thickness" of stranded power wire has nothing to do with the overall AWG. The "thickness" is determined primarily from physical construction and strand count. And when you are talking DC current, these do NOT affect performance... At all... Saying one wire is thicker than another makes about as much sense as comparing the jacket color...
June 6, 201312 yr No, i mean they oversized their CCA to be "safe" to use without researching their wire.. When someone sees 1/0.. they expect 1/0 performance.. That's what i mean.If i see 1/0 with the ability of only supporting a portion of what i was expecting, i wouldn't probably buy it for a single run because of the voltage drop potential.I have their 1 gauge ofc cable and it is some if the thickest wire you can getAgain, this is what you guys are completely missing in this thread. The "thickness" of stranded power wire has nothing to do with the overall AWG. The "thickness" is determined primarily from physical construction and strand count. And when you are talking DC current, these do NOT affect performance... At all... Saying one wire is thicker than another makes about as much sense as comparing the jacket color...I did not say it had more capabilities because it is thicker. I just stated it is a large wire. Nothing more nothing less
June 6, 201312 yr Again, it doesn't matter what the physical size is, this is the whole point. You guys are missing this. And it may actually be smaller, less cross-sectional area, it just has a larger O.D. due to construction... When you say "some of the thickest wire you can get" all you do is perpetuate this myth...
June 6, 201312 yr Again, it doesn't matter what the physical size is, this is the whole point. You guys are missing this. And it may actually be smaller, less cross-sectional area, it just has a larger O.D. due to construction... When you say "some of the thickest wire you can get" all you do is perpetuate this myth... I'm sorry. I will quit talking now
June 6, 201312 yr This sites info never gets oldhttp://www.bcae1.com/ Calculating Wire Diameter and Area:Here in the US, we use the AWG (American Wire Gauge), circular mils andsquare mils. In most other parts of the world, they use mm2. I'll try to touch on each of these. Solid Wire Diameter:This section will address the diameter of solid wire. Stranded wire hasair spaces between conductors and different combinations of differentgauge strands will result in different overall diameters. Keep in mindthat, in the following description, we are talking about the area of thewire in a circular shape. This means that the total cross sectionalarea is doubled when the diameter is increased by a factor of 1.414. OK... For a reference that's relatively easy to remember, lets use 10gwire again. It's ~0.1" in diameter. If we go up in wire size 6 sizesagain (to 4g), the diameter is going to be double the 10g wire. Themultiplier is ~1.123 per gauge. Diameter = .1*1.123^(difference between 4g and 10g)Diameter = .1*1.123^6Diameter = .1*2.005Diameter = approximately 0.2" in diameter This image shows the relative difference between 10g and 4g wires (not actual size). You can easily see that doubling the diameter quadruples the cross sectional area. Until now we've only discussed the diameter of the wire. The crosssectional area of round wire is the one-half of the diameter (theradius) squared then multiplied by Pi (r2*3.14).For some conductors like buss bars and circuit boards, you won't have awire gauge or diameter to use to see how much current a conductor canhandle. Circular mils, square mils and mm2allow us to express the cross sectional area and therefore calculatethe resistance for the conductor. It has another advantage over simplystating the diameter of a conductor in that it doesn't matter if thewire is stranded or solid. If a cross sectional area is given in incircular mils, square mils and mm2, spaces between conductors are no longer a factor. Circular Mils:One 'mil' is one thousandth of an inch. A wire with a cross sectionalarea of 1 circular mil has a diameter of .001". If we need to calculatethe circular mils for a 10g wire, we simply square the diameter in mils.Since the 10g wire has an approximate diameter of .1" or 100 mils, wesquare 100 and get 10,000 circular mils. 10g wire actually has a crosssectional area of 10,384 circular mils but for car audio appliciations,10,000 circular mils will be close enough and easy to remember. Note:Various wire tables list slightly different values for circular mils andthe diameter of the different wire sizes. The values here are a roughaverage of the various tables I've found. Circular Mil Foot:A circular mil foot is a piece of wire with a cross sectional area of 1circular mil and a length of 1 foot. To calculate the resistance for alength of wire, there are a couple of things you need to know. Thefirst, cross sectional area in circular mils, has been discussed. Thesecond, the length, is known (15 feet in this example). And the Third isthe Specific Resistivity for the conductor. The Specific Resistivity isthe value of resistance for a circular mil foot of wire. For copper,the SR is 10.37. To determine the resistance for a 15 foot long piece of10g wire we can use the following formula: Resistance = SR*(length of wire/cross sectional area in circular mils)Resistance = 10.37*(15 feet/10384 circular mils)Resistance = 0.015 ohms for a 15 foot length For 4g wire:Resistance = SR*(length of wire/cross sectional area in circular mils)Resistance = 10.37*(15 feet/41534 circular mils) (4g wire has 41534 circular mils)Resistance = 0.00375 ohms for a 15 foot length As you can see, we got the same resistance for the 15 foot long piece of10g wire as before (with an entirely different method). If you wereusing a different type of wire like silver, gold or aluminum, thespecific resistance would be different. You should also know that the SRused here is for copper at or near room temperature (~70F). Square Mils:Square Mils are similar to circular mils in that their outer dimensionsare again 1 mil but this time we're talking about the area of a squareinstead of a circle. This makes a square mil slightly larger than acircular mil. The conversion factor to convert from one to the other is:1 circular mil = .7854 square mils
June 6, 201312 yr Popular Post I'm sorry. I will quit talking nowNo, don't quit talking, ever. Just don't help perpetuate this myth. Car audio is full of this crap. This site is supposed to help people. When certain things are said (in error) all they do is keep the dumb people dumber. I have no doubt you understand this thread, just be careful with what you say as you will confuse the crap out of others.
June 6, 201312 yr Author No, don't quit talking, ever.this is why I started this thread. I find in car audio especially, there are a ton of myths and misrepresentations, and a lot of dishonesty. When people stop talking and learning, these myths/misrepresentations start getting passed around as truths, and people spend money on things that they shouldn't.I've lost count of the systems I've seen where a guys is running a 1200 watt mono block in a subcompact with a 90 amp alt, and thinks that the capacitor the guy at (insert box store/sleazy salesman name here) sold him has solved all of his issues...When I started buying car audio 13 years ago, I didn't see any CCA wire, everywhere had just copper or 99% pure OFC (what they advertised). Now I'm seeing CCA kits, rated to carry the same amperage as OFC for 2/3 the price with salesguys saying the standard "electrical current is carried on the outside of the wire, therefore the copper cladding is all you need, this wire is just as good for less of a cost...." Have I mentioned I don't like most sales guys I meet...I guess I'm just at a point where I like to see intelligent conversation started based on factual information so that those who may not necessarily have the technical know how can easily see the reasons behind the why and how of this hobby/profession/obsession.On that note, I personally am not currently in the market for wire, was just looking for some info to feed my addiction. And a big thanks to those that have answered, I love a good discussion.And a big thanks to 95Honda, have always found your posts to be very informative and helpful, I remember reading your posts on soundillusions.net when I first got into this.And another big thanks to djjdnap for the info from bcae1.com, have loved that site for years. Edited June 6, 201312 yr by nigel
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