also lastly those who keep mentioning Canadian car audio.

CCA is the biggest joke of a forum now its not even funny. Rick the owner is a money hungry bitch who cant even let a thread bloom when theres 2 differring opinions within it. Let alone put down his beloved sponsors. Hes banning all westerners on his site. Which I have in writing from him by the way.

You're right... I'm one of those people.

for all the blind sundown lovers

"The Sundowns put down 2 less dB then the strapped PB's and put down 1507 Watts on a 15.8V system at 1.5Ohms actual load after rise."

this was with a bank of (20) 8 volt batteries.

In the same thread on canadian caraudio.com Yuli does confirm "you guys are jokes. did i not post on here that a z1 spanks a pair of sundownz like 3 months ago?"

Nice try... I'll send some up to someone who knows how to work a gain knob... which apparently nobody in attendance at that testing would recognize one if they saw it.