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Agreed, more info is needed to suggest something. Why a single twelve? Can you fit a fifteen? Thats what she said

There are lots of subwoofers available in that price range. What are your goals? What amp are you planning on using? What are your enclosure restrictions?

The guys Doing what they know best talking about AUDIO lol he LOVES the river steve not so much lol it was hott! jon waiting to meter cheese steves stickers my love n i super tired and hott! lincoln he won 2nd place very proud of him a lil blurry good job guys! just missing steve

Me: and quit calling them nendos...they are cendos Sencheezy: But it wasn't a "burp" box bish its nendos wtf Me: ITS NOT CRESCNENDO THERE IS 1 FUCKING N IN CRESCENDO Sencheezy: right cendos is not no where in there!!!! ohhhhhh lmfao really/ Me: cres CENDO Sencheezy: aw your right LMFAO ok ok you win that one u dum son

"My amp is rated for 1500watts, but I'm pretty sure it's putting out closer to 2000watts." "How do you know?" "Cuz it's loud man!" "The manufacturer underrates all their amps, so it's list for like 1500watts, but on good electrical it does like 2500watts." "Uh huh." "My amp makes blah blah power, and that's rms not max!" "What about impedance?" "What about what?" YouTube among other things is a cesspool for information.

And always ignore anyone's "estimation" of power output. It's crap, every single time.

The market is flooded with knock-off/straight rebadged drivers or drivers stolen from other companies and taken to China where production costs are cheaper, which drives down the cost of products across the board in order to be competitive in the market. This makes any real innovation cost prohibitive as the end product will simply be too expensive compared to the knock-off/Chinese products in the market. The only realistic difference between subwoofers now and subwoofers in 5 years is that the market will continue to be dragged down towards cheaper and lower quality products. That was a long winded way of saying: Agreed. No idea who that is. The number of "internet companies" springing up is simply outrageous. It's actually sad to see that the "internet company" genre has gone from a provider of quality built, well performing and differentiated products priced below mass-market competition to any random kid (literally) with a user account on a popular internet forum and enough $$ (typically from mommy and daddy) to meet minimum order quantities from an overseas build house and buy ad space on the major forums. I've stopped trying to keep track of or care about any "internet company" started within the past 5 years. There's too many to keep track of, they go under far too quickly to remember who's still in business, and their products are such cheap overseas lack-luster carbon copies to even give a shit about them to begin with. It's unfortunately more about who can generate the most nuthuggers and who has the most friends modding forums to delete negative comments/reviews/issues rather than quality, performance and product differentiation. This isn't just subwoofers, but every car audio product from wiring to deadening to amplifiers and everything in between. That is another long winded way of saying: Agreed.

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Out of the two different setup mentioned I would go with the xcon's !

China is "ok" for parts. I have about 30 prototypes sitting here for myself and other companies and I find several faults all the time, mainly with the poor QC but the part quality is an issue as well. While companies like SA and a few others have found a way to work around those short comings, they are still there regardless and will limit what they can do. There is a reason why the better drivers from SA is assembled here in the states with better parts, glue, and much better QC. Overall I think if you work the system right you can take advantage of China and their prices, but mainly if you are only looking to get into the "I'm cheaper then you" situation and win out buyers. SA is one of the odd ball situations where he has been successful with his product while being built over there. I would guess it has more to do with his willingness to spend a few bucks to have custom tooling done to ensure he gets the results he wants even when limited by their part quality. So in short yes, the parts are "OK" and can be worked around. However, the vast majority of these pop up companies will be off the shelf items or even direct copies in some cases. That means they will not have much working for them other then a cheap price.

I recently bought a pair of BTLs from Mac N Cheese. Excellent communication and shrewd business man. It's were properly packed, just like when they left the original manufacturer. The items arrived in a timely manner. A+. Unfortunately the shipping company damaged on of the items, not Mac N Cheese'es fault. I tried my hardest to get the issue resolve with the shipping company. They wouldn't budge and Mac N Cheese had to get involved. Needless to say he stepped up and took care of the situation. Great seller. Highly recommend. I could only wish that more sellers, both commercial and private would offer this kind of service. Thanks Mac N Cheese.

Either will do fine with "the lows". The enclosure will be a major part of how they sound. I would run the XCON 15's over ZCON 12's for sure. The XCONs will be louder, and they will sound great too. The Crescendo is a great amp.

The youtube effect is only bringing down the industry in my opinion. More and more people are being exposed to more products, while at the same time, the market segment who is growing the fastest, is the youngest group. They are on average, the least experienced, who have not learned the real value of testing/research/specs/enclosure design etc. in terms of planing out a system that is best for their needs. Also, they have the least amount of money and patients, along with being much more swayed by 'show' and less by 'go'. Now, what does all this mean? Well looking at the aftermarket audio scene, there are far more vehicles with aftermarket stereos then 5 years ago greatly due to the explosion of the youngest group of customers. So why are the Brax's/Gensis' of the world in trouble or out of the market like Eclipse, and why are other high end brands like Zapco for example, vastly expanding entry products? In my firm opinion it is supremely effected by those who only care about (read: can only see) the cheapest price possible and 'if lighting stuck' simple marketing figures. In one way, this has really expanded the market, but at the same time, hurt the market. The race to the bottom is much faster then the race for superior quality and performance (race to the top). In other words, quality is losing badly to quantity. Something many can easily see and effect of this is the drastic reduction of individual designs or ground breaking new technology. In other words, the General Motors philosophy, let someone else do the engineering cheap off shore, and slap multiple different brand logo's on the same thing. This makes much of the game a lot more about marketing and a lot less about engineering. You can make the case for material and part costs going up, but that is not enough to counter act the way the market demand is shifting. This is my opinion, but I have been in the industry since the mid-90's and it has changed drastically and I strongly feel quality as gone down a noticeable amount, on average across the industry. Edit: In terms of JL, I like a number of their products, but let's take a moment to think about where they have shifted their efforts, especially in terms of money. JL has a very high capability in terms of engineering and design, much of this is due to how much they invested in their facilities here in the USA. Since then, JL has done mega amounts of marketing and outside of the small format class-D amps and maybe the shallow sub, they have not released too much that is earth shattering or marketing swinging in a while.

Awesome pics, thanks for sharing. It was a good time with friends. I know for me at least, my results weren't what I was hoping for. It's time to step it up a notch for the next show.

is the last piece done? being sent out soon? All Zcon's, new or recone kit's are going in order, finishing 12's today, 15's tomorrow and probably 18's Friday. They will be shipping out shortly after.

'Merica!

Following your logic I suppose that you are running Audiobahn subs too. Judging a product by using it is worse than using scientific logic to understand what it will do. Your comments are indicative of everything that is wrong with the mobile audio industry.

I'm in love:

I'm pretty sure me putting a 7k amp at .5 on that sub is still not as dumb as your spelling mistakes!

They are available in the ssa store.

Sench is ALWAYS there to back you up with the pics Nice car and equipment, you will be surprised at how much better they will sound with a better enclosure. That box looks tiny with very little port area, however I don't think that a t line will work.

Sweet!

You wanna see pics of the new suspension, chuck? Have Senchez take a pic of his hair. The cushion was enough to get this build back on top... If you wanted to know his part in the build.. well, that was it. This is what drives us. Between me, david and jason.. i don't know who can crack on who harder... Although, I can say David is pretty damn good at it at any given time.

You do not need a ton of money to invest in an SPL meter. www.spllabusa.com You have been talking to the National Director of Sales.

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Tell the truth bro.....bangin on it during drunkin demo's is how you popped that dustcap! Senchez=failinator......bwahahahahaha!!!

If your electrical is up to par, it makes no difference...

How is an average person supposed to measure effectiveness?

So you removed perfectly good product just to test another one? I could see if it were drivers or amplifiers, but who wants to do deadening more than once anyways?

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