I can just imagine. K2 I was curious if they did as I would guess....which is to design a sub with huge (claimed) excursion, and then set the T/S in such a manor that it's only useful in ported enclosures which sort of nullifies the entire necessity of huge excursion limits. I'll reserve the rest of my comments until after seeing the T/S. Ha, the reservation isn't founded, otherwise they T/S would have already been posted. Anyone who ever orders anything as a pre-order without full disclosure of specifications is getting screwed and misled. I'll bet money the driver is going to be absolutely effed. That's the way of the internet market YO! Pre-orders on products no one has heard due to no actual production model being in existence. ~~~~~ On a serious note, in the last 5-7 years or so, (was just discussing this with SDY), it is not about research and development (not referring to this sub as I cannot speak much on it) in general. The market has swung to mostly "OH look, NEW and SHINY!!! MUST HAVE NOW!" Hence so many pre-orders from completely new companies with no product, only to be followed by successive pre-orders. Now, there are some companies that can actually afford the product run that they are offering a pre-order too (Sundown and Crescendo might be the ONLY two I can think of) most all others are using the pre-order funds to finance the first build run of product. Meaning, there is no need to start a company, build any equity or savings to start product development, when the customers can pay for it from the get go.