Aaron Clinton

I couldnt agree with you more because my kicker cvx's have been underpowered since i had them, they have not seen no more than 700 watts rms and i love the way they sound but from previous experience with kicker i just know that when they do get louder and get the right amount of power they do start to lose their crispness plus i feel its finally time to step away from the mainstream car audio. i went to mtx audio website about a year ago and seen their Vd calculator, where they multiply the x-max and Sd of a sub together. i have been comparing a subs Vd lately when deciding which sub or subs would be louder, is this a good calculation to go by (i do not that every install has it variables and is totally install dependent). i love to get an 18" sub cuz its just something about them but ssa recommends at least 7-8ft^3 for the xcon to shine, so if i can only give it 6.1ft^3 i should either keep my 12" setup or get the two 15" Icons(is 30Hz port tuning good for these subs). How do the Icons compare or contrast with Fi Car Audio Q subs, cuz when i rely on the VD calculator it says the Q's would do better and i do understand that its not true accurate measurement or fact just going with what i have seen. If i am wrong about comparing a subs VD as one chaacteristic of getting a sub then please inform me, i appreciate it. Mark is running his pair of 18's in approx 12 cubes, so 6.1 is fine for a single 18, but we don't suggest going any smaller. If you want to go with the single Xcon 18, go for it. And 30hz tuning is great for all three of our subs. The Icon/Q contrast has been made a bunch of times. What it comes down to is two different ways at reaching a very similar result. The Q will have a slight advantage sealed, and the Icon slight advantage ported (that is not speaking in terms of db numbers on the TermLab, it is in reference to the specs of the drivers themselves). The Q does have the excursion advantage over the Icon, either way Icon or Q, you are getting an excellent sounding sub woofer made here in the USA. You should read Neil's topic in the Advanced Topics section about Xmax and output.

Wow, that is cheap.

I've been waiting for you to chime in Mike, LOL. So 1.5 with about 450w tuned to 33-34Hz. I'm going to see what I can pull off then. Awesome! We demand pictures as always. :fing34:

Double P-Funk Funky Pup!

Either choice is great, but Duran has all very valid points. So I am going to agree with him. Side note, there is no such thing as under powering. In a prior install, I had a few people surprised by a single Icon 12 in a sealed 1.1 box off of 240 watts.

Nothing wrong with asking that question at all. 4.25 cubes sealed and 6-6.25 cubes ported (before driver displacement) is about the smallest we suggest the 18" Xcon go. We suggest going a little large in both alignments, but either will be fine.

We need the Dcon and Xcon on the Kippel now.

Mike, you have mail.

Welcome to SSA, easily the best and most informative forum you are a member of. Glad you found us.

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Moving some real air in the one video with the driver facing down.

Subs looking good.

Keep the pictures coming.

Very attractive.

I still need to audition one of the new Orions.

Great glass work so far!

I would be curious too.

Heck, the SAZ-1000D would be plenty, but the SAE-1200D is a nice suggestion also.

Keep the pictures rolling.

Okay closing this topic as it has lived past its purpose.

I have read about some people putting in Mac Mini's. That would be sweet.

I drove a 4 door F250 manual with the V10 for about 10 minutes. But it was not enough time to know much about the engine. Would not mind a 7.4 super D.

Winner!! If not I think I still have my Atari 4800.