subwoofery

I guess now is time to ask about the VLX... Any specs you can give us? Thank you, Kelvin

bumping myself...

Read on anothe forum that Andy Jones was trying to use the new comps. Now using the Tweets but can't fit the 6.5" Can we please get more infos about those now? Thanks, Kelvin

Yes please tell us where someone said this. Got to love the people who think they can tell what the drivers make up is based on a picture. It has a single slug, the BTL has a single slug, humm must be almost the same thing. I must have stated a few times in multiple threads that the Xcon has nothing to do with the BTL other then country of origin. humm... Guess you found it

Bringing back this thread from the dead Heard on another forum that the Xcon was based off the Fi BTL. "A different coil and spider and soft parts can make a driver different from another, but it's still going to be an over-motored sub for any SQ setup" Found it strange since there's a big hype about the product ; stating it is an SQ sub. Is the BTL part true? Can anyone comment? Thanks, Kelvin

What kind of stereo kit do you have? Most stereo kit for BMW 3 series looks like this one: The problem I see is that the kit goes over the HU, meaning you place the HU first then attach the kit on top of it. Unless you can find another kit (which I didn't) or make a custom one... I don't see how a flip out din can be used. Kelvin

This one wouldn't be a bad choice: http://www.eclipse-web.com/us/cd/cd5030overviews.html Kelvin

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Thanks for the response... Yeah I know about the Midbass coverance in that range however, owning a few subs that plays well into the midbass range seems to blend better with my midbass. Seems to be the trend to cross subs in the 40-45hz but I seem to be missing a bit even with a 8 incher playing up front. Seems like the Xcon (even having a higher power handling) is your new SQ reference sub in your line up. Nice Kelvin

Hi guyz, Just wondering a few things... Which one plays best in the high range (70hz-125hz)? Which one plays best in sealed? Which one has the best SQ? As in decay, attack, etc... Power delivery no object Thanks, Kelvin PS: believe it would be the Icon but never know...

Need pics of the front stage

Thought Jacob sold the Sundown brand to somebody... As in: "Sundown has a new owner" Guess my english has flaws... Kelvin

Don't think tweeters will work with that much bass... Look into "Image Dynamics" horns ultra + it will sound good Kelvin

Unless you're going IB, then it is truly a nice deal on that one... Magical sub in IB alignment

Ohh... Understood It's just that I like to listen to live recordings more... John Mayer Alice in Chains MTV Unplugged (pretty much anything MTV) Genesis I won't say it is a necessity, but I feel that you need it when listening to "Lives". Hearing and feeling music can't be beat I got a demo from the Image Dynamics Horns while I was in Ontario and ohh boy the Dynamic is UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! Installed some horns not so long ago in my girlfriend's car and they show what I have been missing with my own system (in my sig) I was just directing the OP to something he might or might not have thought being possible (english?) lol I'm sure he'll be happy with the Xcons... Kelvin

Blend is subjective for a lot of people... I understand your feeling. I was like you at first (lowering the gain of the subwoofer to blend with my midbass: so that nobody knows there's a subwoofer in the car) However, I have managed to do the exact same thing (as stated above) but with 6dBs more output @ 63hz than I have @ 250hz for example (subwoofer lowpassed @ 80hz 12dB/oct) - smooth response curve all the way I might repeat myself but ALL the sound is coming from my front stage - on some songs, people even put their hand on my dashboard to see if I have a small subwoofer hidden underneath it. Believe some even managed the same thing with 9dBs more output (I wasn't able to lol) Car audio is so difficult , complex and experimentation is the best way to learn. Kelvin

why is that This is just what I've learned... experimenting in my own car and learning for a few years what forum users had to teach me Kelvin

You can have 6dBs more bass than your front stage and still be able to make your sub(s) blend with the front stage. Try to get an RTA and smooth the response curve from 60 to 160hz (downward) no peaks nor dips. Then try to flatten from 160 to 400hz. Works for me Also watch out for 45hz, NO PEAKS THERE!!!!! Kelvin PS: one last thing, reversing your sub's polarity can do 50% of the job already. Feels like you are losing some bass but getting more midbass...

Second (or third) the Horn setup idea. I have installed some Image Dynamics horns in my girlfriend's car (lower end CD1e v.3 sensitivity around 107dB 1w/1m) and it is so loud. The best thing about horns is that they are designed with SQ principles in mind first. I'm sending mine around 20rms - mids are getting 90rms Just so you know, I don't have much install skills but I managed to pull it off: http://www.imagedynamicsusa.com/forum/inde...?showtopic=3659 The higher end model has a sensitivity of 110dB 1w/1m, which means that with 20rms, it will be twice as loud as my system... The Ultra's (higher end model) rms rating is 100 watts. Hope that helps, Kelvin

The rear reminds me of a Mitsubishi Mirage/Colt

Try to find a way to do this: http://www.grande-utopia-em.com/en/technologies/em.php I know it won't be possible coz no one would buy an 8" sub that costs $1000

I'll also say the motor... True that subwoofer haven't changed in the past 40 years HOWEVER: Focal seems to be part of the new generation of subs http://www.grande-utopia-em.com/en/technologies/em.php

I want higher sensitivity with same FS

I'm pretty sure two power supplies are better than one. It's like having 2 mini turbos VS a big turbo - the 2 smaller ones will kick in much faster than the big one. The 2 power supplies should have more control over the woofers (my reasoning might be because I'm into SQ lol) Kelvin

No love for ID? Ohh well, can't go wrong with Hybrid - GOOD CHOICE!!!!! Kelvin