another VS thread..........

I would take the Xcon for SQ but I think I would probably throw the Orion HCCA in the pile also...

what a rediculous sub.....I was burping a single 12" with XXX 6500 last comp

season...we got a solid 147db on the dash doors sealed in a chevy Xcab and I

could NOT blow that sub even with my Crown Agti amp

reliable...reconable with an allen key (if you blow one you'v really screwed up) and it sounded not to bad either

mikemihai, where you located at in illinois?

@ 42 miles north of chicago by sixflags in gurnee

Well according to 80%+ of the people here im an idiot on multiple levels, all i want is a sub that sounds great but is at least as loud or lauder than the fi bl i used to have. The fi bl sounded bad on only like 20% of the songs, and the rest 80% were perfect, it happenes that 20% of those songs are some of my favorites, so i want a sub that can do it all without sacrificing much power. Once i get my BL back i might sell it and try out an xcon 15inch, and compare that to my friends btl(which i havent heard yet, but just to get an idea of spl vs sq). I'm really looking for more sound quality so i can play more of my songs sounding great. I've never had the chance to compare an sq sub with an spl sub since i never had 2 of them side by side so i dunno what to expect, so sry for posting a list of subs on the topic that are mixed between spl and sq. Sounds however that most ppl say the xcon is a great sounding sub and pretty loud, probably louder than my bl. So i think thats probably what im looking to get in the future. Thx all for posting.

Also if i were to upgrade my stock midrange speakers on the car to something better that could put out the higher freq. bass from like 70 to 80 hz, then setup the sub to take care of anything lower than that, then would that be a much clearer sounding bass? im figuring it would and in that case i might be able to have an spl sub instead that takes care of the bass between 27-69hz and the midrange from 70hz up, so i would end up with a loud and clear bass and throw some tweeters on so i can hear the highnotes too. what do you guys think? i am a newbie so i dont know much of this stuff, so please keep the sarcasm low b/c im not sure when you guys are kidden sometimes and i get confused as hell. okay thx.

bottom line:

Would a btl with good midrange speakers be louder and as clear as a less as loud xcon with good midrange speakers?

-im thinking the higher the frequency the sub has to reproduce like 100hz versus a lower 45hz, then the lower the quality and reproduction of the sound will be at a higher frequency since midrange speakers are usually meant for higher frequencies- correct me if im wrong

thx again, pls comment back

Edited June 4, 201015 yr by mikemihai

XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.XCON.

I also think you should add Ascendant Audio Havoc to the list. From what I've heard, they are around the same price as the XCONS

Your dumb

DD = Loudest on meter

Wouldn't count on that

you could always get a second bl and tune a little lower depending on what your tuned to now.

you could always get a second bl and tune a little lower depending on what your tuned to now.

i was tuned at around 32-33hz. if i tune lower would that make it better for rock and techno house music while making it less as good for rap?

Well according to 80%+ of the people here im an idiot on multiple levels, all i want is a sub that sounds great but is at least as loud or lauder than the fi bl i used to have. The fi bl sounded bad on only like 20% of the songs, and the rest 80% were perfect, it happenes that 20% of those songs are some of my favorites, so i want a sub that can do it all without sacrificing much power. Once i get my BL back i might sell it and try out an xcon 15inch, and compare that to my friends btl(which i havent heard yet, but just to get an idea of spl vs sq). I'm really looking for more sound quality so i can play more of my songs sounding great. I've never had the chance to compare an sq sub with an spl sub since i never had 2 of them side by side so i dunno what to expect, so sry for posting a list of subs on the topic that are mixed between spl and sq. Sounds however that most ppl say the xcon is a great sounding sub and pretty loud, probably louder than my bl. So i think thats probably what im looking to get in the future. Thx all for posting.

Also if i were to upgrade my stock midrange speakers on the car to something better that could put out the higher freq. bass from like 70 to 80 hz, then setup the sub to take care of anything lower than that, then would that be a much clearer sounding bass? im figuring it would and in that case i might be able to have an spl sub instead that takes care of the bass between 27-69hz and the midrange from 70hz up, so i would end up with a loud and clear bass and throw some tweeters on so i can hear the highnotes too. what do you guys think? i am a newbie so i dont know much of this stuff, so please keep the sarcasm low b/c im not sure when you guys are kidden sometimes and i get confused as hell. okay thx.

bottom line:

Would a btl with good midrange speakers be louder and as clear as a less as loud xcon with good midrange speakers?

-im thinking the higher the frequency the sub has to reproduce like 100hz versus a lower 45hz, then the lower the quality and reproduction of the sound will be at a higher frequency since midrange speakers are usually meant for higher frequencies- correct me if im wrong

thx again, pls comment back

hahahahahahhaha that just made my day

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :lol2:

you could always get a second bl and tune a little lower depending on what your tuned to now.

i was tuned at around 32-33hz. if i tune lower would that make it better for rock and techno house music while making it less as good for rap?

Tuning lower= less higher bass, more low bass.

I like the kickbass more if a encosure is tuned low.

But it wouldn't sound good for techno and house music.

Better Midbass would probably make everything sound better.

Well according to 80%+ of the people here im an idiot on multiple levels, all i want is a sub that sounds great but is at least as loud or lauder than the fi bl i used to have. The fi bl sounded bad on only like 20% of the songs, and the rest 80% were perfect, it happenes that 20% of those songs are some of my favorites, so i want a sub that can do it all without sacrificing much power. Once i get my BL back i might sell it and try out an xcon 15inch, and compare that to my friends btl(which i havent heard yet, but just to get an idea of spl vs sq). I'm really looking for more sound quality so i can play more of my songs sounding great. I've never had the chance to compare an sq sub with an spl sub since i never had 2 of them side by side so i dunno what to expect, so sry for posting a list of subs on the topic that are mixed between spl and sq. Sounds however that most ppl say the xcon is a great sounding sub and pretty loud, probably louder than my bl. So i think thats probably what im looking to get in the future. Thx all for posting.

Also if i were to upgrade my stock midrange speakers on the car to something better that could put out the higher freq. bass from like 70 to 80 hz, then setup the sub to take care of anything lower than that, then would that be a much clearer sounding bass? im figuring it would and in that case i might be able to have an spl sub instead that takes care of the bass between 27-69hz and the midrange from 70hz up, so i would end up with a loud and clear bass and throw some tweeters on so i can hear the highnotes too. what do you guys think? i am a newbie so i dont know much of this stuff, so please keep the sarcasm low b/c im not sure when you guys are kidden sometimes and i get confused as hell. okay thx.

bottom line:

Would a btl with good midrange speakers be louder and as clear as a less as loud xcon with good midrange speakers?

-im thinking the higher the frequency the sub has to reproduce like 100hz versus a lower 45hz, then the lower the quality and reproduction of the sound will be at a higher frequency since midrange speakers are usually meant for higher frequencies- correct me if im wrong

thx again, pls comment back

Midrange speakers have nothing to do with which subwoofer would be louder and clearer. If your looking for a loud all around groundpounder then get the BTL and if you want a great sounding woofer that has the ability to get loud then go XCON. Even though it is install dependent the BTL should get louder than the Xcon and the Xcon should produce bass more accurate then the BTL.

you could always get a second bl and tune a little lower depending on what your tuned to now.

i was tuned at around 32-33hz. if i tune lower would that make it better for rock and techno house music while making it less as good for rap?

Tuning lower= less higher bass, more low bass.

I like the kickbass more if a encosure is tuned low.

But it wouldn't sound good for techno and house music.

Better Midbass would probably make everything sound better.

oh crap i just read my post again i was going to say if i tuned higher, not lower, if that would be better for techno & house music lol

Quote jay-cee "Midrange speakers have nothing to do with which subwoofer would be louder and clearer. If your looking for a loud all around groundpounder then get the BTL and if you want a great sounding woofer that has the ability to get loud then go XCON. Even though it is install dependent the BTL should get louder than the Xcon and the Xcon should produce bass more accurate then the BTL."

Not counting loudness(assume music is playing at same volume in both situations) if i were to have a BTL with really good midrange speakers vs XCON with really good midrange speakers, you are saying i will notice the overall difference in music clarity right away with the XCON? Those are both great subs and yes i do understand the XCON is meant for more clarity but would it really be that noticeable im asking? and i cant see why good midranges wouldnt matter much, i belive haveing good midrange speakers would take care of the higher freq bass and then the sub will be used for it was meant to be used and that is more low end bass of lower frequencies.

is my logic incorrect?

You'd be very impressed by the sheer loudness and sound of a BTL in a proper installation. Stop comparing apples and oranges, no matter how you word it it will not work.

What were the songs that you liked so much and why do you think your BL didn't sound good with those song? Be specific. What settings on your amp?

A subwoofer is only supposed to reproduce 20-80Hz. That's IT.

Get some mids with some balls to them...personally I never have a sub playing anything above 56Hz..none of our subs have issues with "house" "trance"...hardcore rock..double kick drum..any of that stuff..but the kick drums are mostly correlated with a midbass driver..not a sub. Not saying any of our subs have issues with anything up to 80-100 Hz but it's foolish in my mind to run a subwoofer that high.

Any person that says you need to cross your subs at 100Hz or higher isn't the most intelligent individual in the world...because that isn't going to sound so great regardless what they may think. Go talk to some hardcore SQ guys and see what they say.

I've got a BTL 18 sitting in my living room for home theater duty...it sounds fine. It comes down to the loose nut that is behind what it goes into and the controls .

just buy one of each than you can decide what work's for you.

Fear the Pup!

A funky pup once ate Chuck Norris for breakfast.

"The goal of every super sub builder is to eclipse the current king, the Funky Pup. No one may get there, but we keep trying....." - Dan Wiggins

What were the songs that you liked so much and why do you think your BL didn't sound good with those song? Be specific. What settings on your amp?

Which had you read the noob posting guidelines you'd know this is what you needed to post first to make the thread useful.

Sound bad, didn't like, or other non-specific subjective responses will NOT help us help you. Tell us what you don't like and it will be easy to find a solution.

Fear the Pup!

A funky pup once ate Chuck Norris for breakfast.

"The goal of every super sub builder is to eclipse the current king, the Funky Pup. No one may get there, but we keep trying....." - Dan Wiggins

With your knowledge Brad, you might be capable