42 minutes ago, ///M5 said:

If you stop with the verbal diarrhea I will stop calling you out on it.  Really simple.  You post idiotic nonsense in nearly every thread you go in which is a huge forum etiquette no no.  Why not prove you are smart enough to figure that out.

Is that why half the time you come in and say no your wrong that isn't how it works, then 3 comments later repeat exactly what I said just word it different, or add to it. Now I'm not saying you do this every time, cause I have been wrong or misread something, but you have done it more then once. And if I'm truly wrong yea no problem, call me on it I got no problem with that, but if my opinion differs from yours that doesn't make it verbal diarrhea as you call it. 

Lol post a quote of M5 repeating what you said

 

No balls!

Billy Jack, honestly brother, you're going about this forum thing all wrong brother.

It's very easy to get along with everyone here (including Speaker boy) if you go about this in a polite, understanding manner. 

First off, quit trying to point out everyone's so called mistakes. 

Especially moderators. 

Just by this alone your points will start going up. I can tell you more, but you have to read and comprehend. 

If you know ALOT, show it ... don't Bragg about it. This will loose everyone attention every time. 

Dude, I'm not bashing you. Seriously, I'm trying to help.

1 hour ago, SpeakerBoy said:

Lol post a quote of M5 repeating what you said

 

No balls!

Easy! I said my infinity kappas sucked and asked Arron if I could replace the mid with a evil and still use the tweet until the evil tweets come out and next comment "those infinity's are garbage a evil can walk them" yea I just said exactly that myself. 

24 minutes ago, Randal Johnson said:

Billy Jack, honestly brother, you're going about this forum thing all wrong brother.

It's very easy to get along with everyone here (including Speaker boy) if you go about this in a polite, understanding manner. 

First off, quit trying to point out everyone's so called mistakes. 

Especially moderators. 

Just by this alone your points will start going up. I can tell you more, but you have to read and comprehend. 

If you know ALOT, show it ... don't Bragg about it. This will loose everyone attention every time. 

Dude, I'm not bashing you. Seriously, I'm trying to help.

Man I have got along with everyone here, we have great discussions until dude starts his shit, then it always spirals from there and I get the blame cause I want back down. I may have typed some dumb shit after the fact, I get pissed easy but it will work out. 

Edited September 24, 20168 yr by Billy Jack

You're not realizing one major point here. Sean is a moderator. It's his job to watch over the forum and make sure correct information is given.

Moderators are nice here. Do this bullshit on CACO, DIYMA, or SMD and you would get cut (banned) in no time flat. They do listen to reason here. You have to work with them, not against them. Sean gives reasoning to his post now. ALOT more than he use to. 

Also retyping what someone said is not quoting. You have to box the information you want to quote "as is" and post it that way. Can't show you, I'm on a phone at the moment. 

8 minutes ago, Randal Johnson said:

You're not realizing one major point here. Sean is a moderator. It's his job to watch over the forum and make sure correct information is given.

Moderators are nice here. Do this bullshit on ****, DIYMA, or SMD and you would get cut (banned) in no time flat. They do listen to reason here. You have to work with them, not against them. Sean gives reasoning to his post now. ALOT more than he use to. 

Also retyping what someone said is not quoting. You have to box the information you want to quote "as is" and post it that way. Can't show you, I'm on a phone at the moment. 

Yes I get that about the info except when it's an opinion, like passive/active ported/sealed, SQ/SPL some of these things can be subjective, and no one answer is a fact but an opinion.  But it's all good I see what you guys are getting at. 

It goes without saying that here on SSA we are adults and when our ideas are challenged we should look at it as an opportunity to convey our FACTS to support our claims instead of allowing it to deteriorate into an insult-fest. 

As we go through life we have plenty of opportunity to learn and improve ourselves. Therefore, no matter what kind of criticism is aimed at you, look at it from a third perspective and try to learn from it. We're not here to spoon feed you or tell you exactly what you want to hear, we're here to grow as a forum and better our community. Just because someone is attacking your ideals does not mean they are personally attacking YOU, You often need to step back and identify what is being said instead of applying what you think is being said.

If another member has something negative or constructive to say, don't disregard their comments even if you don't have a high opinion of the person. Instead of shutting down, stay objective about what they are saying. Be prepared to ask follow-up questions during the conversation in order to prevent a bigger misunderstandings. Asking questions shows that you're willing to figure out a solution and that opens up a meaningful exchange that will lead to better understanding and even a learning opportunity yourself and for others.

Read one page of this and felt compelled to say that 'this' is exact why I don't visit SSA like I used to.  every thread turns into bickering.

4 minutes ago, Lee Carter said:

Read one page of this and felt compelled to say that 'this' is exact why I don't visit SSA like I used to.  every thread turns into bickering.

Aman to that! ^

I guess I'm just not mature and experienced enough to understand how you're so dull. It has me infinitely baffled.

The rep system is a great feature, imo. Is nice to to say "hey I had an epiphany from your post" or "thanks for the information", without adding a comment. Don't know that the neg- feature does much good though, as any mis-imformation is going to get called out verbally anyways.

The need for people to feel validated and important to the rest of the herd is nothing new. Clearly the real issue here seems to be one gentlemen's need to feel validated. Unfortunately he just keeps alienating the herd, instead of contributing to gain that respect. 

Beyond that, any regular visitor here knows where M5 and Billy are coming from. M5 does acoustical work for a living and his opinion is usually logic based and very discerning. Billy's opinion is generally to stroke his own ego, gain attention and tell everybody how a hillbilly would do it. I am sure billy is proficient is whatever trade he does, but its clearly not electrical or acoustic work. I personally like both opinions and use them to make my own. Which is usually somewhere in between. As far as the initial disagreement I clearly agree the old thought process of this brand is better than that brand is gone. People know better now and search for dollar to performance ratio, not bragging rights. The 90's are gone, and so is the ignorance.

Now to the average person just searching the web for say "what sub fits a nissan car", will most likely go right back to google as soon as he gets in a topic full of people blabbing about everything other that the topic. Unfortunately those topics stay on the internet for years and effect the reputation of this site, that others have spent years to build. Hopefully this helps you, billy, understand why people do not care for your useless posts. I am not saying we don't want you here, but if you want to feel important and get validation on this site you need to adjust your roll bro.

If you don't like the effect, dont produce the cause.

So the guy saying he's just a simple hillbilly is stroking his ego, and the guy who says his opinions are facts and insulting anyone who questions his word, engineer or not  is above approach? Ok 

50 minutes ago, Billy Jack said:

So the guy saying he's just a simple hillbilly is stroking his ego, and the guy who says his opinions are facts and insulting anyone who questions his word, engineer or not  is above approach? Ok 

Fuck dude, this is so simple. I understand that this is your first audio forum so I will say this for your information. 

What you do here by trying to point out mistakes, correct them, or to make them look bad to make yourself look better at someone else's expense is considered trolling on an audio forum. Plain and simple. What's worse is you're trolling moderators. Nothing good can come from you doing this. 

If a moderator gives wrong info, it will not be your fault and will not reflect on you in any way. Best thing to do is to leave him alone. 

I'm taking my time on my very busy Sunday to type all this shit just to help you out cause you seem like a cool dude.

However you take it from here, "may the force be with you my brother" is all I can say.

Edited September 25, 20168 yr by Randal Johnson
Stupid phone

Try to let stuff roll. Nobody will think you are a bitch because you choose not to argue. Do research to find out why or how you maybe wrong. Just because one person says it on the internet does not make it gospel. Wikipedia is full of senseless bullshit for example. Just because it's posted somewhere doesn't make it fact. If someone doesn't like what you do or how you do it, it's up to you to show your character on how you handle it. Try ignoring it. A wise man once said, "It's better to keep your mouth shut and make them believe that you are ignorant, than to open your mouth & remove all doubt." Look it up.

3 hours ago, Billy Jack said:

So the guy saying he's just a simple hillbilly is stroking his ego, and the guy who says his opinions are facts and insulting anyone who questions his word, engineer or not  is above approach? Ok 

Meh we are all here stroking our own egos, you are just amplifying it to a degree that is disrupting the herd. I gave that fly on the wall perspective so you will see why his brash personality is tolerated And advice is respected here. Not to mention the guy is willing to help others, and has continued to help you.

 The reason I give my opinion because I hate to see someone bullied or struggle.  You seem to be struggling here, and I would hope you're not making life this hard on yourself in other realms.

 I deal with people all day and the ones that show your level of frustration, generally have a preconceived notion of the way they see things going. In my opinion you are making life hard on yourself by not being flexible and open minded.

I've stayed out of this until now.

 

This is ridiculous.  PERIOD.

 

I understand the rep feature is in place because it's favorable on other types of social media and that is the ONLY reason the software provider has coded it into the forum. 

Here it serves absolutely NO purpose other than to stir shit.  Nothing else.

Most people here, come here for no BS, and to get THE best advice.  We don't need a rep system to alert people of bullshit or bullshitters.  They are easily and readily seen and called out.

 

Billy Jack,I am going to give you some advice.  I was once in your shoes, in fact you may be able to find some of my initial posts from when I first joined here to prove it.

Perception is reality.  You may think you are right, you may FEEL you are right.  You may be right. . . . BUT when everyone else perceives you as wrong, you are wrong. 

 

You talk about M5's comments on subjective topics.  Unfortunately, it is your own subjectivity which denies you the ability to look at things objectively and see things from an open mind perspective.  You may be passionate, you my be educated, you may be correct, you may even be one hell of a cool guy, but you carry yourself all wrong, and for that reason, you have ZERO credibility.

 

Aaron, this is your forum,and you do as you please, but the rep system, IMO, is childish and not needed here. 

 

I will comment no further.

very well said.............

 

I am now going to go listen to that abortion of a sub amp that I have installed in my system.... UHGGG!

 

2 hours ago, j-roadtatts said:

Meh we are all here stroking our own egos, you are just amplifying it to a degree that is disrupting the herd. I gave that fly on the wall perspective so you will see why his brash personality is tolerated And advice is respected here. Not to mention the guy is willing to help others, and has continued to help you.

 The reason I give my opinion because I hate to see someone bullied or struggle.  You seem to be struggling here, and I would hope you're not making life this hard on yourself in other realms.

Dude I love my life, this shit is just key strokes on a phone it don't meen shit in the real world. One reason I even comment is cause I have been reading the forum for a while, and got bored of just observing, and decided to join cause Arron was so polite, and helpful with a question I had on the store. Had I known dude was gonna blast me at every turn the first time I didn't agree with him, I would have stayed just an observer. It's pretty clear no other opinions are welcome here so I will just go back to observing. Ow and I'm not as stupid as I let on, I have a bad habit  of acting like how people treat me. I actually worked for JL for a while in the 90's, no I wasn't a top level guy, but I was there and learned a lot from them, great company, and great bunch of people by the way. 

Edited September 26, 20168 yr by Billy Jack

i think the rep system is nice however there can be instances of negative, negative feedback. i think we should follow a facebook like rep system that only recognizes positive reinforcement.