I don't see how that's relevant and it's certainly nothing more than an opinion and doesn't prove anything. Inexpensive equipment CAN be installed and made to sound quite good, I agree with that completely. However, the companies that have spent major time in R&D and making strides in the technology they use and the quality of the drivers they produce have to charge more because they have more invested. While a great driver in a crappy install can generally be outperformed by a cheap driver in an ideal installation the better driver in IT'S ideal installation will generally yield unrivaled performance compared to that of the cheaper driver. It's all about compromise, knowledge and experience. While I do agree that the Alpines definitely have the background to suggest they're the better choice, it's not fact. Until someone takes the time to do measurements and direct comparisons between the sets there's no way to know with absolute certainty which is the better one. That will (probably and most likely) never happen, so then it comes down to compromise, knowledge and experience. Is the OP willing to compromise some quality in sound reproduction to save a few dollars and meet his set budget goal? Does the OP have the knowledge in driver placement and installation to ensure he can even get the best results from the more expensive set? Does the OP even have the experience to know the difference when he hears it? In almost all likelihood the OP is, doesn't, and can't. There's no intended offense to the OP in that statement either, hell I know I don't have the knowledge and experience to do that myself. That being said, my recommendation to the OP is to pick a budget for the speakers AND as close to an ideal installation as he can handle. Then buy accordingly. I don't think there's a big enough difference in the performance quality between the Alpine Type X's and Type R's to warrant the extra cost if you're just going to throw them in the factory locations and do a run of the mill install. As far as the Alpine's vs. the Sundown's, there's no way for anyone to give an opinion there yet since the Sundown's aren't out yet. It's a gamble plain and simple. Given Sundown's history to do well with their products by the numbers sold, I think there's a chance they'll perform adequately for pretty much every average listener with average installation skills. I have to admit I almost pre-ordered a set just so I could play with them and see what my opinion was, though it would only and ever just be my opinion, meaningless to anyone else and pointless. Much like my response.