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I just have to say that for 3 weeks i have been working out everyday except sundays, stop drinking soda, and eat alot healthier. I have lost 10lbs and i am building muscle plus lost 2 inches around my waist!

If you have two subs in an install and one is inverted and the other is not then the polarity on one of the subs has to be reversed so they are both acoustically in-phase with each other and pressuring the cabin at the same time. If two subs are installed and they are both inverted, then the polarity needs to be reversed IF AND ONLY IF that keeps them in relative phas to the rest of the system. Really you should always check phase and verify if being wired in-phase or out of phase places the subwoofers in relative phase to the rest of the system. The only time the inverted sub MUST be wired out of phase is if there is two or more subs in the system and not all of them are inverted. Push-pull mounting in a common chamber cancels even order harmonics produced by the subwoofers since the asymmetry in the motion of the cone between the two subs should be more or less equal but opposite. Unless you are talking about isobarically mounted subwoofers, which is another can of worms.

PSI will ship you just the recone so you can do it yourself. Then the price should be alot lower when you do it yourself.

It's as much box dependent as it is power dependent. I don't recall a post on what enclosure the sub is/was in, but as I did post before the amp has no SSF (sub sonic filter) so if you have it in a ported enclosure tuned to say the upper 30hz region for example and were playing tones or music below that frequency it wouldn't take much power to drive the sub beyond it's mechanical limits and cause this kind of damage. Even if it were in a sealed box, if the sealed enclosure was way too large or if it had some leaks the same issue can occur. It all depends on the suspension on a given speaker, but I've had some 6" speakers that you could easily destroy mechanically (ramming the voice coil into the back plate, running the coil completely out of the gap and hanging it on the top plate, tearing the surround or spiders, things of that nature) on only a few watts of power at those kinds of low frequencies in free air. When you play music, tones, etc. on a sub in a ported enclosure below the frequency it's tuned to the enclosure is no longer helping to control the cones movement. Far enough below tuning and it's pretty much the same as free air and it sure doesn't take too much for some drivers to destroy themselves mechanically. Now, given it's lasted a year in these conditions, the suspension has held up and it obviously has enough room in the motor to keep from smacking the voice coil into the back plate. The problem is running it like that, making it pull on the tinsels where they attach over and over again, like taking a piece of solid wire and bending it back and forth for awhile, eventually it will break. What are the specifications of the enclosure it was in? Give us every measurement and we can run those measurements and verify what the volume and tuning of the enclosure is. My money is on the enclosure being tuned high and with no SSF the sub was unloading in the enclosure and finally gave in to the stress. As far as the fix, it should be reconed to repair it properly. I've gotten lucky over the years and repaired a few drivers by resoldering the lead back onto the voice coil wire but that's few and far between.

The tinsel leads are broke loose from the voice coil leads. Often times an issue with running the sub well beyond it's mechanical limits.

I'd go to Nordstrom's first. I wouldn't buy anything, but I'd get fitted for shirts. Grab the gayest looking sales guy there and see what he can find. If they can't find anything then I'd try Brooks. Not sure where they are outside of Maple Grove though, yuck.What do you consider to. Be the best materials, brands, and colors for business? I need to start suit shopping soon. J Off the rack it is hard to beat Joseph Aboud for price/quality/comfort/nice looking fabrics. This fit most men fine and can be taken in if you need a slim fit. Slim fit doesn't mean you are skinny either. Just that you want the shirt to come in closer along your sides and not blouse as much. Kalvin Cline makes an OK shirt. There is a new line from his products that are nice. I just purchased a few and will update you. But once again price and good fabric there. The most recommended shirts off the rack I have read online about are Ralph Lauren and Brooks brothers for the "reasonably priced". I have ended up at Men's Warehouse most frequently because of their buy one, get one sales. Great clearance prices too. On Friday I got 6 nice shirts, 4 ties, 2 wool pants tailored up, a couple tie clips, and a pair of casual shirts for about 650. Why I am even looking for a better shirt is because I can afford it, it would be more comfortable and one shirt that fits properly will outlast the off the rack ones for me. With the constant pulling in the back I bust seams and pull the weave of the fabric long before the shirt should have been worn out. As for fabricks, pattern and color are yours to choose. Or have the best dressed person there pick it out for you. Fabric materials make the most difference. Island/Egyptian/pima are about the best actual cotton. The weave of the cotton is another personal choice. Some are more durable and some are lighter and more breathable. Your hands and eyes can tell you that. My opinion is if you get a solid color shirt it is nice to habe a sheen and or texture. Another reason I am a fan of the Joseph Aboud shirts are the solids habe a nice sheen and herringbone pattern. I believe it would be considered a twill weave. I'm not completely fluent in the weaves as it doesn't matter toooooo much for me. If I find someone to make bespoke shirts for me maybe I will have to learn something when I choose the cloth, but for now I can touch and see what I like and don't like rather than communicate what swatches to show me.

Absolutely the only reason for a BP in car. For your needs 6 > 4 so nice work. Only problem here is that it MUST be designed for the driver being used. Change the driver, change the design. That being said you can model the difference.

a better questions is WHY are you so hung up on only looking at 4 inch Vc subs... haveing a 4 inch coil have 0 to do with getting low... and it can not be power handling because you stated you have yet to pick an amp.... so why a 4 inch coil? do you have something to prove with your coil size

http://zoom-moving.com/ is my company. I'm just your average car guy, I love the 60 too.

T/S parameters describe the low frequency behavior of the driver at low power. That includes amplitude, phase and time domain behavior (overshoot, ringing, etc). What they don't tell you is, for example, how the parameters shift as power is applied or about distortion related behavior. If the parameter shift is audible and different between the drivers, or the distortion behavior is different in a significant way, it would be entirely possible for two drivers with nearly identical classical T/S to "sound" and behave different at listening levels. That said I don't know enough about the differences between these two particular drivers to say how their performance might differ in those two particular criteria.

They are very musical but as far as spl wise i did a 151.5 sealed @ 43hz, No a friend gave me the nickname back in the old halo 2 days lol now all i play is Gears Judgement for 360

I emailed you back like thursday or friday... I don't know what will fit in that motor, not familiar with it. I remember asking any reason why you didn't want to do a recone from them on their woofer?

Ok guys got some videos to post up of the Jeep playing.

Hoping that NDMstang would chime in. This is the quicker way to get an answer back on a Sunday by all means

And it's a ridiculous question because each of those woofers were designed for different purposes. If you gave more details on your install it would be easier to help narrow down your choices.

Ridiculous question, even more so because all the ones you listed are made by the same company.

Put the SSD in a ported enclosure instead of buying another sub first...a BL will have to go in a ported enclosure if you step up to it anyhow.

Jon, I'm going to come at you absolutely straight. I hope you don't hate me. You both have an unknown medical condition and more down tinightmares you think. This is both the cause and effect of your poor sleep and diet. My guess is you don eat nearly enough for the amount of time you work. If you don't get a full straight 8 of bed time compounded by your night terrors you are basically not sleeping. With that lack of sleep you will have a hormone imbalance at minimum. I have been where you are 3 times now with the doctor and other BS problems. It is what it is, but I know exactly how you feel. I have no idea how big you have been but when I was at my heaviest I was about 450. No one knew it because I could run and jump and work just as hard as the next guy. But that weight alone is a health problem. I only have nightmares. And had/have sleeping problems I will expand a bit more when I get in front of my PC. I have to try and drive home without needing to call a wrecker to pick my sorry POS up. :-)

XCON FTW!

Purely cosmetic. Sometime people do it because of space constraints & if they have multiple subs it can allow them to make the enclosure a few tenths of a cubic foot smaller. Not sure what you mean about trim ring. Most subs have a gasket that functions correctly both mounted regular & inverted. Some subs do, however, have the basket design in such a way that inverted mounting isn't easily accomplished.

thats what i figured, ill just snip the light so i dont have to look at it.

I always set the gain by ear. Has never let me down. Between my 6 systems and the numerous times I've set te gain I have never blown a sub or had any failure. Same with me tuning all my friends systems. You just have to be smart and use your senses to identify the stress on the sub or subs.

look into the precision power ppi black ice series, they seem to be doing well. Also look at woofersetc.com, that's where I got my Cadence from.

None of the brands you're looking at are going to be over rated enough to make an audible difference. Likewise none of the amps people brag about being under rated are under rated enough to make an audible difference. Reliability, features, size and possibly efficiency are about the only things you really need to concern yourself with when amp shopping.

That isn't really a concern when looking at "budget" brands, honestly. Between the inherent losses suffered by all systems you'll almost never see full rated power from any amplifier. The best question to ask is if they produce a clean signal and are reliable enough to do so until you can afford something better. In the case of those three brands, I don't see why not.

Wake up bigjon, he's using a AP 1500. Your amp would perform even worse at 0.5ohm then at 1 ohm, although I don't know what you mean by perform. (it won't take abuse like this)

Not having the time to compete myself, it is awesome to see a great guy do so well with our products.

First of all, what caused it to fail? Need to figure that out first before you fix it.

Hmm....I doubt it.Came out of Randal's mouth not, mine. "I'll have to talk to Ray about it". Just to put Randal's comments on phase compensation in perspective. The class in Physics you take after Classical Mechanics is Waves. Both follow exactly the same set of rules. Describing things in waves is obviously over the head of 99.9% of the public, so I'll move to a more simple and straightforward analogy from Classical Mechanics which I alluded to above. Gravity. Most people know it exists and at least have a rudimentary understanding of what it does. There are situations you can create to avoid gravity. Just google how they train astronauts. So the preface of not always having gravity 100% of the time is feasible. The same can be said about phase compensation. At a single frequency for a single point in space it isn't so hard. Change space or frequency and it becomes even more difficult than gravity correction. By Randal typing his truck is phase compensated it is exactly akin to saying I am able to defy gravity at ALL TIMES in ALL PLACES with my truck. Reality of the situation is that there is no place it will ever defy gravity. Same wih the phase. It will never be compensated at all points in space (flat out impossible) and at all frequencies (no processor available to my knowledge has that power). Of course, then by saying he'll have to bring it up with Ray I can assume the source. You can doubt what you want, but I guess we could clear this up by asking fo r the source although I don't care as either way it is flat out wrong, impossible and shouldn't be cited. Wherever it came from, whomever it came from is either an idiot or a manipulative ass that is trying to make $$ by confusing those that don't know. And please, ask ALL the frequency related questions you like. It is rather right up my alley. If something is unclear I'd be glad to explain it to you. Just because it might sound subjectively good now, doesn't mean it couldn't sound better I've got some other issues with the install. But I'm sure Randall is happy so I figured it wasn't worth the argument.... I know what you are saying. Several years ago when my supra was doing 440hp at the wheels it was pretty fast. I gave several people a ride and they couldn't believe how fast it was. Fastest car they have ever been in. That summer at a supra event my buddy in GA just finished his. Was doing 620hp on the dyno. I went for a ride and it was a different world. Got back in mine and it felt broke lol. Needless to say I upgraded mine soon after. That was around 2006. I think I'm on upgrade #4 and now its in pieces in the garage again. Exactly. And not unlike Impious I left out a ton of other obvious things that can help, but if my recommendation were followed it would benefit things GREATLY. And for those with the "just listen to it" comments. That is seriously laughable. I have listened to pretty much every driver in the Madisound, PE, Solen, and ... catalogs. Including tons that have never made it to market. All in environments way nicer than a car. So yes, not only do I understand scientifically what will happen but my ears have experienced it as well. Exactly why I will not be attending some simple car audio event. Compared to sitting in Ray Kimber's, Dave Wilson's, Jim Winey's, Orfield Lab's and other listening rooms I've been in there is not anything in car audio that will impress me. What baffles me is EVERYDAY I want to learn more, but the attitude of some of you that come on here with the high and holy this product is the shiznit is absurd. Install is everything and all Imp & I are doing is trying to help. Stop taking it personally and open your ears.

Here are some songs along with what hz they hit. Thought you guys would enjoy. ================================================== Artist: Song: Freq: ================================================== Artist: 20 fingers Song: Lick It Freq: 48-51-53hz Artist: 3 6 Mafia Song: Prophet Possee Freq: 37-40hz (it takes 50 seconds for the bass to start hitting) Song: Late Night Tip Freq: 43-40-37-34-32hz Artist: A Perfect Circle Song: Lullaby Freq: Starts at 27, then jumps around the 27-40hz range, then settls down at 29-40hz, it jumps around the frequencies a lot Artist: Aaliyah Song: Try Again Freq: 53-40hz (Gets all the way down to 40hz for some .2 seconds) Artist: Ace of Base Song: The Sign Freq: 45-51hz Song: Waiting for Magic [Total Remix 7"] Freq:? Artist: Akon Song: Belly Dancer (Bananza) Freq: 40-43-51hz Song: I Wanna "Love" You Freq: 37-48hz Artist: Baby D ft Intoxicated Song: Slammin Cadillac Doors Freq: 45hz Artist: Beyonce Song: Deja Vu Freq: 51-59-48-45-43hz Song: Irreplaceable Freq: 57-53-51-40hz Song: Ring the Alarm Freq: 45-48hz Song: Upgrade U 51-48hz Artist: Blaque Song: Bring it all to me Freq:? Artist: Boys II Men Song: 4 Seasons 73-64-59-51-45-43-40hz Song: I'll Make Love To You Freq: 51-57-64hz Song: On Bended Knee Freq: 37-40hz Song: Water Runs Dry Freq: 52-62-67-75hz Artist: Brian Adams Song: Here I Am Freq: 51, then goes down to 37 at times Artist: Buck Cherry Song: Crazy Bitch Freq: 40-43-45-48hz Artist: Bun B Song: Bun Freq: 43hz, 30hz it first starts out at 43hz....and has the 30hz bass like every couple seconds. The longer note peaks at 43hz Artist: Busta Rhymes Song: Touch It Freq: 43-45-48-51hz Song: Touch It (Remix) Freq:? Artist: Camrom Song: Killa Cam Freq: 41hz, 51hz, 61hz, 92hz Artist: Chamillionaire Song: Ridin Dirty (Remix) Freq: 48-51-57-59hz Artist: Ciara Song: Goodies Freq: 51-53hz Artist: Daddy Yankee Song: Rompe (G-unit Remix) Freq: Starts with 40hz, then music is at 37-40-43-45hz Artist: David Banner Song: Play Freq: 40-37-51hz Artist: Dem franchise boys Song: Black Tee Freq: 27-29-32-34 Song: Ridin Rims Freq: ~38hz, 57hz, 74hz Artist: DJ Billy E/The Mekanik Song: Bass Mechanic Freq:51-53hz, hits 40hz for half second Artist: DJ billy-e Song: beatz 4 my van Freq: 31hz (low note), 42hz (high note) Artist: DJ Unk Song: Back it up Freq: 34-37-40-43hz Artist: DMX Song: Trina Moe Freq: 45-48hz (just the beginng thump) Artist: Do or Die Song: Do You Freq: 51-48-40hz Artist: E-40 Song: Im Da Man Freq: peaks at 42hz Song: U and **** Freq: 40-43-45hz Artist: Eamon Song: Fuck It Freq: 37-45hz (the part b4 the chorus where he says "i wanna let you know how i feel") Artist: Eminem Song: Kill You Freq: 67-59hz Song: Shake That Freq: 37-40-43-45hz Artist: Fat Joe Song: Lean Back Freq: 48-51-53hz Artist: Gorilla Zoe Song: Hood Nigga Freq: 53hz Freq:37-40-32-29-27hz (29hz is the more constant note) Song: Money Man Freq: 36hz, 42hz Artist: Gorrilaz Song: El Manana Freq: 48-51hz Song: Clint Eastwood Freq: 37-40-51hz Artist: Gucci Mane Song: Hold That Thought Freq: 32-34-37hz Song: Pyrex Pot Freq: 41hz, 54hz, 83hz Song: Thats My Hood Freq: ~41hz Song: Trap House Freq: 39hz, 60hz, 77hz Artist: Huey Song: Pop, Lock and Drop it Freq: 53-51-48-45-40hz Artist: Janet Jackson Song: All Night (Dont Stop) Freq: 34-40-37-32hz Song: Someone to call my lover (remix) Freq: 29-34-37-40-45-48hz Artist: Jermain Dupri Song: Welcome to Atlanta (Coast to Coast Remix) Freq: 51-45-40-48-37hz Artist: Jibby Song: King Kong Freq: 32-35-45-48-50hz Artist: Jody Breezy Song: Dippin' Freq: 51-48hz Artist: Justin Timberlake Song: My Love Freq: 51-43-40hz Artist: K-doe AKA K-deezy Song: In My Hood Freq: 48-45hz Artist: Lil Jon Song: Act a fool 57-45-43-40hz Song: Bitch Freq: 45-48-51-53hz Song: BME Click Freq: 45-43-37-32hz Song: Get Low Freq: 32-34-37-40hz Song: Snap ya Fingers Freq: 37-40-43hz Song: What You Gonna Do Freq: 57hz at beginning then gets down to 43-40-37hz Artist: Lil Scrappy Song: Money in the bank Freq: 43hz Artist: Lil' Wayne Song: Go DJ Freq: 65, 42hz Song: I Feel Like Dying Freq: 44hz Song: Stunnin like my daddy Freq:40-43-45-48-51hz Artist: Lil' Wyte Song: Get High to This Freq: 37-40-48-51-57-67hz (37hz stays kinda constant) Song: Hoods Run Down. Freq: 40-34-27-25-22hz (just the first "bass test" part) Artist: Loko Ft Bun B & Dj Unk Song: Like Me Freq: 44, 65, 56, 32hz Artist: Ludacris Song: Act a fool Freq: 53-51-53-59-hz Song: Blueberry Yum Yum Freq: 34-37-40-51hz Song: Grew Up a Screw Up Freq: 43-45hz Song: Lovers and Friends Freq: 40-43-45hz Song: Splash Waterfalls Freq: 53-51-48-40-37hz Artist: Kanye West Song: Touch the Sky Freq: the low note is around ~41hz maybe a bit lower more like 38 Artist: Knoc-turn'al Song: The Way I am Freq: 45-48hz Artist: Mc Magic Song: Sexy Lady Freq: 37-40-48hz Artist: Mary J. Blidge ft Stat Quo Song: Be Without You (Remix) Freq: 48-45-40hz Artist: Master P Song: I Need Dubs Freq: 37-43hz Song: Pass Me da Weed (friday soundtrack) Freq: 37-40hz Artist: Nelly Song: Grillz Freq: 48-45hz Artist: Neyo Song: Sexy Love Freq: 51-57-48hz Song: So SickFreq: 59-57-53-51hz Artist: NORE ft Nina Sky and Daddy Yankee Song: Oye mi Canto (Remix) Freq: 64-57-53, 37hz for some .2 seconds Artist: Outkast Song: ATLiens Freq: 40-43-45hz Song: Speakerbox Intro (featured on the RF H2 hummer demo) Freq: 48-51-45hz Artist: Paul Wall Song: Internet Going Nutz Freq: 40-37-25hz Artist: Pimp C Song: Knockin Doors Down Freq: 59-57-51-45-43-40hz Artist: Pitbull Song: Bojangles Freq: 59-64hz (hits 43-48hz for .2 seconds) Artist: Power supply Song: My Bass hits harder (Specifically looking at the part around 2:17 when the old man comes on) Freq: Starts at 34-37-40hz... At 2:17 it goes to 48-51-37-34hz Artist: Project Pat Song: Break Da Law Freq: 43-48-51hz Artist: Rick Ross Song: White House Freq: 37-40-51-57hz Artist: Sarina Paris Song: Look at Us Freq: 37-43-45-48hz Artist: Snap Song: Rhythm is a dancer 2003 remix- (this one has 3 significantly "different sections", im mainly interested in the second one after he says "check this out" but if possible could i get info for each section (the first and third sound similar so if they have the same properties no need to repeat) Freq: 57-53-45-48-40hz <~ 1st part 22-25-27-32-34-40hz <~ 2nd part Artist: Swishahouse ft Mike Jones Song: Holding That 9 Freq: 27-29-45hz Artist: T.I. Song: 24's Freq: 57--51-48hz Artist: Three 6 Mafia Song: You Scared pt. 2 Freq: ~33hz, 52hz Artist: Too Short Song: Dime a Dozen Freq: 39hz, 58hz Song: run up Freq: 37hz, 44hz Artist: Trae Song: No Money Freq: ~36hz Artist: trick daddy ft. T.I. Song: Beemers & Benzes Freq: ~32hz, 53hz, 63hz Artist: Trilltown Mafia Song: In The Hood Freq: 53, 65, 44hz Artist: Will Smith Song: Nod Ya Head (Black Suits Comin) Freq: 34-37-48-51hz Song: Wild Wild West Freq: 37-40-43-45-48-51-53hz Artist: Ying Yang Twins Song: salt shaker Freq: ~39hz Artist: Youngbloodz Song: Ev'rybody Know Me Freq: 39hz, 53hz, 62hz, 81hz Song: Presidential Freq: 34-37-45-53hz Artist:Yo Gotti ft Lil Wayne Song: I Got 'Em Freq: 57-53-45-43-40hz Artist: Young Jeezy Song: Air Forces Freq: ~41hz Song: Hypnotize Freq: ~5 seconds of constant 37hz, drops to ~5 seconds of constant 34hz, and 51hz Song: J.E.E.Z.Y. Freq: 37-40-43hz Song: Trap or Die Freq: ~41hz Song: You Know What It Is Freq: 35hz, 55hz, 73hz Artist: Yung Joc Song: Do Ya bad Freq: 75-64-57-48hz Song: I Know You See It Freq: 32-34-37hz Artist: Yung Sean Song: Got My Trap Boomin' SNB by DJP Freq: 43hz