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Oui, this is what happens when I only work on emails all weekend, take half a day off and not keep on top of the forums every 30 minutes like always. First off, this customer ordered a D4, as he said, for the first sub. When it arrived, he swore up and down that he got a D2 sub. Which by the way, had never happened before where a customer was sent the wrong coil, so it was VERY surprising to have someone say they got the wrong coil. Since he was so adamant about the wrong coil and has been accusatory from the get go, I assumed he was using a trusty DMM and was reading it correctly, I apologized for the supposed mistake of the build house, so for his second sub, we adjusted it to a D2 coil. So his second sub came and appears to be a D2 as ordered. For future reference, there are three different people who check or overlook the sub before it leaves the build house, so to say we have no quality control is clearly not accurate. There is markings on the box, the build ticket and the former, so it is HIGHLY unlikely that a sub would ever ship out with the wrong VC. Yes, we are a small brand, but clearly we have experience doing this and we have NEVER and I mean NEVER screwed over a customer and as explained and posted numerous times in a thread, if a mistake was made we have always worked to correct it asap. So for one customer to be claiming it happened twice, seems quite odd. As explained in this thread, the D4 coils have a resistance lower than D4, same with D2. The Gcon does NOT come in a D1 coil option as there are D1 coils for it. This is due to a number of reasons, power compression, impedance rise or box rise etc., so that the coils rest below the stated resistance and with natural rise will be closer to stated resistance. (Alton's explaination is much better then mine: http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/forum/topic/60275-two-new-ssa-subs-showing-diffrent-ohms/page-3#entry1020077) For example, if you get a D4 ohm subwoofer from a different brand that uses 4.0 ohm Re, after natural rise it will be higher than a D4. One easy way to know for sure is on each former, above the coil should be written in black sharpie, stating the voice coil that is on the subwoofer. As it stands now, with everything written out by the customer as the facebook messages did not contain all of this info, we can only assume that the first Gcon was a D4 as ordered and the second Gcon was a D2 as ordered. This may be partially my mistake as I did not ask for a photo of the formers from the get go, but I have never had to do that before. If the customer truly is the first one with wrong voice coils, we will clearly correct it, but if the first one was read wrong..... Side note, with SSA store rewards, the total was $444, not $457.

EVERY speaker is rated for a nominal impedance. Impedance is the resistance measurement that is used because a coil with AC voltage applied is reactive. Depending on the frequency that's applied and the inductance of that coil that resistance changes unlike with DC where resistance is simply resistance. The nominal impedance is more like the average impedance seen on a given driver over its specified frequency range. THAT is why you measure it with a DMM and see a lower resistance than its given impedance. Sure, mistakes happen, but as several have mentioned the resistance of the coil is written on the coil when it is wound. Read it and see what it says. The DC resistance you measure with a DMM WILL NOT MATCH THE RATED IMPEDANCE ON ALMOST ANY DRIVER. Like I said, go to Partsexpress for example and look at the thiele/small parameters for any speaker you want to. The Re (DC resistance) rating will be lower than the given impedance for pretty much every one of them.

Still not quite clear on what happened to the original sub woofer, as to why it is reading so off after power was applied. But we are still sending out a recone kit to fix the issue.

It really boils down to a few things : 1) The X has a dramatically louder bottom-end than the SA series or any other speaker we made before. 2) The X has WAY less suspension induced distortion than our SA series or any other speaker we made before. If either one of those things is something you don't like -- you may not like the X. The closest thing to a complaint I've had is some folks interpret 1 and 2 together as the driver lacking top-end -- but it's actually a lack of parameter shift over stroke; the driver stays FLAT rather than increasing the top-end over stroke. Here is a post I made on CACO about it : "The new platform drivers are a totally different animal than anything we've made before; and anything most anyone has made before. Not only are we starting with a lower FS but our FS changes VERY little over stroke. It's a much lower distortion sound but the distortion of shifting Fs (and Qts) has a sound best described as "punchy" to the ear. See the following (don't mind the objective # in the FS column -- just look at how it changes) : * At 2" p-p the SA-12 FS is over 50% higher than at-rest * At 2" p-p the SA-12 Qts has risen to triple it's rest value * At 2" p-p the Z v.4 Fs has changed essentially none * At 2" p-p the Z v.4 Qts has changed VERY little; with a max deviation of ~25% or so on the forward stroke ----- Now... take a woofer and model it up with those changes to the parameters found on the SA-12 (which is a good representation of how many standard drivers act). You will see a massive increase in output toward the top-end and a massive decrease at the bottom-end over stroke. On the Z v.4 you will not see this -- the response remains relatively unchanged over stroke. So compared to a less linear driver the increase in bottom-end over stroke can be MASSIVE as it simply does not drop off over stroke... but you won't hear the "punch" at the top-end generated by the distortion modes of shifting parameters. ----- In many conversations with Dan Wiggins this theme came up... with XBL^2 you greatly reduce the QTS rise from a BL perspective (we are reducing it from a suspension perspective which also greatly reduces FS shift). Even then people complained that the Brahma drivers were not "punchy" -- what they actually were complaining about was a lack of distortion. Down the line I plan to combine our suspension platform with a linear BL topology as well. That definitely won't be for everyone as the shifts of every parameter will decrease even further. ----- In any event -- I expected to hear these type of reviews based on what people said about XBL^2 drivers 10+ years ago. Bottom line, to me, is that the design is objectively superior and fits what customers told me they wanted from their subs -- the most bottom end possible. Our SPL suspension system that is in the works for the new platform will offer a more "traditional" sound and also work better for higher frequency SPL for the same reason."

And since Sean sucks at linking: http://lifehacker.com/how-to-build-a-heads-up-display-for-your-car-1129913775

I really need to do this ... I will sign up as soon as all my registration fees are out of the way this year ... Thank you SSA for a Great Forum !!!

Bunch of Polaris guys I'd expect from the location. If time allows and it is not too far away maybe you and Matt could let me know what you think of their work. Friendly group of poeple put this on. It is an hour North. If it weren't for my travel schedule and the kiddo's I'd go for sure. Perhaps though I can make a business trip to Poo and stop in

i built some boxes today. started with a 1 cubic and started cutting it shorter bit by bit. 1 cubic sounded better than no box but it was rather floppy sound .86 cubic sounded good but lacked the punch .79 and .739 sounded progressively better over the .86 and kept getting a deeper and more full sound. .64 was nearly identical in volume and frequency as the .739 box .58 was the smallest box that retained the frequency sweep and volume as the .64/.739 box. .50 sounded much worse than .58 .38 was about the same quality as the .5 .31 is where things changed, the sound was very full, with a wide range of frequencies and it really punched on the lows. the .64 sounded more open at the high range than this .31 but the .31 had far better low range punch. .25 was hard to even get the speaker to fit into, it was fairly empty in sound, better than free air but lacked any real boom from the bass. i stopped there. so by this i would want to build a .31 box out of fiber glass in my doors.

They rated their amps at one ohm. Below one ohm will void the warranty.

Oh, this ought to get interesting. Going to get some popcorn.

Note to ANY new member. Don't ever act like this, it won't get you anywhere. A little bit of sugar goes a long way son

Im afraid you don't know as much as you think you do, at least not in this instance. A DMM measures DC resistance only. The 4 ohm or 2 ohm rated "impedance" of any speaker is an AC resistance. Look at the "Re" spec on any sub on the market which is the DC resistance of the coil and it will almost never match the rated impedance and most times isn't even close and can even be about half the stated impedance. You were sent a D4 to start with, and got the D2 you ordered the second time. The fault is yours, not theirs. I'm sorry, but that's the truth of it.

Z v.4 18" D1 : Z v.4 18" D2 :

Why would I want to do that. I didnt buy the 20.1 new so obviously I dont care about the warranty. Not only that but Id rather have the 20.1. Ill stick to what I know works best for me. I only run 2 subs amps and "b2" honest crescendo is not the other one. Again, thanks for informing me of things I never asked. IA 4lyfe

You can get a crescendo amp and pay extra and they will warranty it to .5 ohms.

Is it worth blowing the amp if you don't have good electrical.

From how it looks, you ordered a 4ohm, and received a 4ohm. Now you ordered a 2 ohm so you have 2 different subs. How do you know the sub you originally ordered was 2 ohms and not 4?Dude im not pucking stupid I know how to check ohms. They fucked up twice with me because they are GARBAGE! Here is my first one that was sussposed to be dual 4 ohm http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf?file=http://vid657.photobucket.com/albums/uu295/sld225/20130831_141331_zps91f82d79.mp4 Now watch the god damn video instead of making assumptions like you know what the fuck your talking about

It says 2ohm on the coil cant you read? The ssa peeps said sorry on there fuck up. They gave me sticker for troubles. Bitch peeled itself off during hot day though so fuck it.

Almost 30 so im not a damn kid so watvh the name callin. Just tired these stupid ass kuntz saying its a 4ohm whem they didnt watch vid. It clearly shows its a 2ohm. Ssa dont wanna do shit. Only option is recone. All I wanted to do is show you all that they fucked up

I can show you emails... wanna see them? I ordered 4om an got a damn 2ohm. Ordered another 2ohm to maych my other one an when I check it today its reading .5 at each coil. What more you wanna fuckin know?

You know you wait an wait an buy wood an screws an tite bond an buy amps an wire an rca an batts an expect your shit to be nice annnnn pucking wammo shit all stupid because of stupid small sub company has absolutely NO QUALITY CONTROL

What do you think that you are accomplishing with your vulgar language?From the south this how we talk. Sorry you northern people are too sensitive to cuss wordsI'm not sensitive in the least bit, but do you not see how the way you are talking comes off as aggressive and makes you look childish and immature. Btw I'm from the Southwest, but I'm not sure how where I'm from is relevant. Like I said, it will get taken care of but it will make it a smoother process if you calm down. im ready to rip these garbage ass subs out an pucking tear them apart an eat them. You didnt have to spend $457 on subs an have them come to you fucked up. Thats why im mad. An im mad because kids cant read

What do you think that you are accomplishing with your vulgar language?From the south this how we talk. Sorry you northern people are too sensitive to cuss wordsNa, deep south or not your just pathetic with words son. I lived in NM for many years, southern Texas (right on the Mexican border) and my dads family was born and raised is WV. I think I know the south. You son are just an immature arseho. well then get out. I dont give a shit where your from

How bout you go buy Kicker or Kenwood subs. SSA and FI have been know to make some absolutely great products. You want to talk shit about subs that have won many trophies and have set records? Your a fool what fuckin records ssa set? Please answer that you fuckin fool

What do you think that you are accomplishing with your vulgar language?From the south this how we talk. Sorry you northern people are too sensitive to cuss wordsI'm not sensitive in the least bit, but do you not see how the way you are talking comes off as aggressive and makes you look childish and immature. Btw I'm from the Southwest, but I'm not sure how where I'm from is relevant. Like I said, it will get taken care of but it will make it a smoother process if you calm down.im ready to rip these garbage ass subs out an pucking tear them apart an eat them. You didnt have to spend $457 on subs an have them come to you fucked up. Thats why im mad. An im mad because kids cant readDrink some beer and wait for Aaron to get back to you. And trust me I do understand why you are mad, it is a shitty situation having to wait that long to get the wrong thing. They will do right by you, trust me. thank you for understanding

2 times in a month they messoup on me im done with them. I had btl 15s an loved them. I recently sold em to buy some tanteic hdd 18s for my truck. No problems with fi or tanteic just ssa