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Chop, it'll be awesome if you make it down bro. The response from others is good as well, maybe we can bring some life to this little event. I'd love to see other forum members sporting non mainstream brands come in and show these hicks what forward thinking innovation really is, lol. All kidding aside, the more forum members that can show up the better. Word about the SSA forum, community and store needs spread far and wide. No better way to do that than to represent at a gathering of gear heads. This is easily one of the best forums I've found and there's PLENTY of people out there who could benefit from the advice and experience available here, especially around these parts.

Champion spark plugs are simply not what they used to be IMO. I am around A LOT of guys who build muscle cars that are everything from mild streeters to all out strip only drag racers. Most of them use NGK plugs, some Denso's and a brand or two I've never heard of. Most would be embarrassed if anyone saw them with Bosch plugs in their cars. They really don't like them at all. Personally, ever since I used to race motocross I became a believer and lifetime user of NGK. I'd recommend using anything in the NGK lineup, you won't be sorry. As far as the Iridium's, I have a set in the van. There was a noticeable difference in the throttle response and the was a few added miles per tank. That's my .02

Welcome to the forum!!!

Unfortunately the Alton family will not be able to attend the planned festivities after all. First hurdle that came up was the funds to finance the trip. Second was a reschedule of the wife's family reunion. We're now officially out for the count. Hopefully we can make it up for the next IAK get together. Everyone have a great time and Chop, give the little man a big birthday hug from all 6 of us. He's really growing up fast!! Happy 1st Birthday ALEX!!!

Um.... I don't think there's a comparison IMO. The XCON will get plenty loud and sound fantatic doing it, that's what it was designed for. The HDC3, well, it can get loud. From most accounts I hear about it, it doesn't sound that great when tuned to the manufacturers specs. Since I have no personal experience, I do deserve to be flamed for such an outright comment against the HDC. However, it's near impossible to disregard multiple reports on the "hollow" and "cold" sound that seems to be common with them while the XCON's continue to get outstanding reviews.

Yeah, figure we gotta stick together. Keep up the good work. Looks like it's coming together plenty quick. See how it sounds when you're done, but I might recommend getting some cotton batting, like the kind used for quilting, and stuffing some under the unsupported side of the 6.5's in the dash. I can see some possible problems with back wave cancellation the way Dodge designed that dash. The batting should help absorb some of that and help the midbass response. Looking forward to the finished product!!

Yowza..... can't wait to get my SA-8's in my Jimmy. Looks awesome man!

WooHoo..... I'm no longer the only person with a family oriented mini-van build!!! Lookin' good so far, keep it up.

I'd be glad to help if I can. IAK how frustrating RE's calc can be, I'll see what I can cook up for ya.

Looks pretty good by my figures. Make sure you do a build log!!

You will not be disappointed with the output and definitely not disappointed with the sound of this Q. I've only been listening to mine for a short time but absolutely love everything I listen to on them. Enjoy and I'm looking forward to your build log.

Congratulations to all you guys, keep up the excellent work.

I can attest to this as well, without a trunk even. In the van when I first installed the Hifonics system a few years ago I had set it up with the subs facing the rear of the van. While loading definitely played a part, there were lots of colorations and other unwanted effects from the subs firing into the hatch door such as the plastic panels vibrating and resonating. In it, there was very little difference in how loud it was but cleaned it up and got it sounding four times better with the subs facing forward. Aside from that, all my experiences with trunk cars has led me to being a believer in forward firing with the trunk sealed off. On vehicles with fold down seats one must do some extra work for it to work as well. Removing the cover and using a hole saw bit to make those ventilate is a ton of work but well worth it in the end IMO. Just my .02

I like the 3 12's option, but like the number I'm odd as well so it may be best not to pay any attention to me.... XCON's would be excellent to see in there. Aside from their already great repertoire I'd love to listen to some in person.

Same low 30's tuning as well I presume. Thanks Nick!

Actually, in most cases it will help midbass response. There's an article here Car Audio & Electronics - Midbass Response that goes into some good simple explanation on it. It follows the same principal of any speaker box design. The smaller the enclosure is the further up the frequency scale it peaks at. By building the enclosures in the .3cuft area (not exact science but a good general place to start) that moves the peak response into the midbass region greatly improving the impact and overall output response. Of course this is very general and doesn't apply perfectly in every case. jroadtatts can give some insight in the difference in the response from IB to .5 to .25 as he recently did some testing for that purpose. I believe he found with the Aura's he still got the best overall response IB but you have to remember he was testing with 10" and 12" drivers as well.

Hey guys, I was running down some information to do a build for a buddy this weekend. He's looking to do a modest setup with 4-500 watts of power to the sub stage and would like to go with a pair of 10's. I showed him the 10" X's which he was very interested in after listening to my Q's he's quite impressed with Fi. One thing I noticed both here on the forum and on the website is that there's no Tech specs for that line. It's easy enough to post up here or send an email asking about the optimum tuning, enclosure size, etc. which we'd like to know, but I figured I'd just go ahead and ask when you might be expecting to have something up on that information? Also, I think I read somewhere the X line would still only be a limited run, if that's correct how much longer do you think we're looking at here? He's not got a lot of spare $$$ to spend on the hobby and I'd hate for him to miss the deadline. Thanks in advance and keep up the good work, my Q's are absolutely incredible!! I fully expect the X's to blow my buddy's mind away as well!

One question I'll toss out there right off is about the 10's and 12's of the E line. Do you have an estimation on when those may be expected to go on pre-order. I have a buddy who's going to be doing a very modest install and a pair of 10's in that power range are right up his alley. Don't get me wrong here either, it will be months before he's ready to buy so no rush on the response. Otherwise I'm looking forward to seeing what the "X" line can do. Between them and the SA line there's a good chance there will be a lot more Sundown being sold in my area soon. Everyone's been impressed with the amps in the van and I'm sure they'll be even more impressed when the Jimmy is complete and they get to see and hear the SA-8's in action.

Thanks. They're Neutrik Speak-on connectors from Parts Express. The Karma speaker wire from Knukonceptz is what really makes them nice. When I did the old installation the subs lit up. So I used 4 pole speak-on connectors. 2 poles were used for the signal to the sub, 2 were used to get the 12vdc to the lights. I kept the 4 pole connector's and used the Karma 12 guage bi-wire speaker wire for this installation. For maximum power transfer each sub has two 12 guage runs for positive and 2 runs for the negative. I didn't forget the series jumper wire either, it too is two runs of 12 guage. It's overkill for 1k each sub, but I figured the wire was cheap enough and I already had the 4 pole connector's so I went ahead and used it. Thanks man!!

^^^^ I agree, I think strapping the amps would be the best way to go. I don't think one would destroy the other unless it was a VERY serious failure, but if you just can't drive yourself to do it then, yes an Oscope would be the next BEST. You could get by using a test tone and a good DMM though since even with the oscope all you're doing is matching the output voltage's of each amp. Regardless, I don't think strapping the amps would ever cause a problem.

The accuracy thus far is quite surreal. Was listening to Disturbed - Land of Confusion yesterday and was utterly blown away by how clean the drums and bass guitar were. The more they play the better they get too. Thanks Bro! We're still planning on attending some of the festivities next weekend, as long as the funds come through. As far as the questions, you got my # feel free to call anytime. LOL, I don't have to tell her to stay away, she does everything she can to avoid them. She suffered through the pain in her stomach for around 8 hours before she finally listened to me and let me take her to the ER. She's a good bit stubborn.

Look forward to seeing this build Chop.

While I don't own any SSD's myself my little brother bought a new 18" SSD w/ BP for his 2008 Grand Prix. We're going to shoehorn it into an 8cuft net enclosure tuned to 33hz sealed off to the cabin of the car. We'll be starting the building very soon and we'll have to build it into the trunk of the car. No way to slide that in, lol. Anyway here's a couple of pics of the sub. Here's his SSD next to one of my 12" Q's.

Just out of idle curiosity, where in the great Hoosier state are you? Close or not I'd be more than happy to help you out with what I can. Like everyone else has mentioned, the only way to know for sure is to monitor the voltage. Easiest way to do so would be to purchase something like this Stinger LED Volt Display. Then you can monitor the voltage continuously.