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At this point in time Stereo Integrity discontinues the DS4 line and closes them out at a I can resist price. I pick one for just in case. Unfortunately storage space has become a preminum and I say eff it, I can cut another hole in the box and run two. So much for the no upgrades. Moar sub pics. Everything back out. Fingers crossed that I don't eff it up. Now its a box for two. All back in. The subs are dual 2 ohm coils. The amps put out 1k at 2ohms or 750w at 1ohm. So I take a hit in the power dept but gain in the cone area side. All in all its a wash. I need to start tuning.

Hey, I don't hate rap but I do hate bad rap. One other warning. You were discussing a 3 way before and the 80prs will only do a 2 way. Means without adding more processing you cannot do a midbass, midrange and tweeter. Btw, I also don't expect you want to be in my camp...but I came from yours but am just old now. I would never recommend you do what I do but don't want you to have the growing pains I did either.

Found a Dell Axim X5 pocket pc vintage 2002, of course it still works fine if you plug it in.

Planned obsolescence

How do 14yr old Ipods work but a phone after 2 years shits the bed .

Thanks. Tuning is slow going. Part of it is making sure I get good measurements. Then tackling the EQing and making sure it does whats intended. Definitely and art for sure. I'm digging the PS8. I bought it second hand for a good deal, that's why I went with it. I wish it had shelf filters and all pass filters, since that's all the rage now in the ESSQUE circles. For now it gets the job done. Thanks for stopping by. Awesome. Glad to start posting again. It's been a long while. Thanks and thanks. I appreciate, thanks. Definitely gonna get to tuning. Ha ha. It's sounding good. Still needs work, but it's getting there. Glad to be back.

Way to wake up a two year old thread guys.

Last car we optimized we pulled out more than 30lbs of deadening which was almost half the stock package and still managed to pull out 8dB of panel noise from the car. The previous package that we optimized was developed with a combination of FEA, classic modal analysis with accelerometers, and sysnoise. They wanted to cut cost (imagine that) so they hired us to optimize the placement post design. Huge difference and saves the manufacturer over $100k/mo.

All right first, don't let the octave thing confuse you. One octave up or down is simply a double or half the frequency. So an octave below 100Hz would be 50Hz and one above would be 200Hz... then 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12,800. The number doesnt actually matter, it's simply half or double. 1/3 octave is the point the human ear will pick up a change in pitch/tone. For our purposes today we will use the scale that will appear on your crossover and your Eq. I believe that head unit lets you select 1/3 octaves. Starting at the bottom 25, 31.5, 40, 50, 63, 80, 100, 125, 160, 200, 250, 500..... 1250, 1600, 2000, 2500, 3150, 4000, 5000, 6300, 8000, 10,000, 12,500..... you'll see the span between numbers gets larger the higher you go, but there is no more "information" in that large span then in the small span. There are basically three notes in each octave. So on to how this pertains to speaker selection. The tweeter being the most finicky so will start there. A tweeter with an FS of 1250Hz, Will not like to be crossed lower than 2500Hz. One with an FS of 1500Hz, won't like being crossed lower than 3.15K. One with an Fs of 1000Hz, Will dig low and play comfortably at 2000Hz. Now a true mid range speaker will have no problem playing up to either of those points, (and beyond) and still sound good . A speaker that is considered more of a midbass will also play up to those points, but will sound poopy. So if you were looking at a speaker that is more of a true midbass, you all want a tweeter that can dig low. Same with a subwoofer, it may be play up to 500Hz, but will some poopy anywhere after 80Hz. Now on the personal preferences and what I think you would like. Let's start at the subwoofer, I will assume Jay has his crossed at 80Hz, and five has his crossed and 50Hz. And I know I have mine crossed and 63Hz. The reason Jay has his crossed high is he is mating to mid range speaker, and wants the most "weight" he can from the subwoofer. There is less detail in chopped and screwed and rap music. The reason five would cross his at 50Hz is he is after more clarity and smoothness than weight, as jazz is very smooth and detailed. Next I will assume Jay has his mids crossed it 100Hz, and five has his crossed at 63Hz. Jays mid range speaker will be more head cracking, if it's not trying to play low notes that are covered by the subwoofer. We will Assume five has a mid that is considered both a midbass and mid range. One that plays smooth across the whole frequency band, and is not peaky in the mid range. Fives midbass/midrange will sound smoother than than subwoofer, and not play head cracking in the mid range. On to the tweeter. I will assume Jay has his crossed that 3.15K, and fives are crossed at 2K. Jay already has his mid range covered, and is more after ear blistering highs. Jay most likely cares less about soundstage and more about loudness. Again five probably cares more about clarity, detail and soundstage. Just like between the subwoofer and mid, fives tweeter will play more detailed and clear then the mid at the same frequencys. Also the tweeter is the part of the equation that can be moved around the car, to achieve a better soundstage. I would personally think you are probably leaning more towards Jay's camp. Five has ridiculously discerning ears, listens at a more moderate level than most and he hates rap. I fall in the middle because I listen to just about everything, from too short and easy-e, reba McEntire to Randy Travis, Otis redding to Elton John and slayer to lamb of god. One other Added note, a speaker will handle double power each octave higher it is crossed. Jays speakers will play lower, but handle more power to get loud crossed higher. Hope that helps. Let use know what you think.

It could also be due to a delay in parts. If one of the parts suppliers or manufacturers had a mishap that caused a delay in shipping or production then that could also cause these kinds of delays. The Toyota plant near me had production shut COMPLETELY down for about two weeks recently when a huge mold of some sort fell from the rigging it was lifted by and was destroyed. Imagine what a two week shutdown does to the chain of supply at a place like that. There's a lot more going on in ANY business than most people are willing to consider. Delays happen, it's just how things go. They'll catch back up soon enough. Another thing to consider is that they build for multiple companies and at one time I knew that they had some industrial applications as well. That's a lot to keep up with, especially when there's a delay outside of their control.

I have them in my wish list so I will most likely grab a pair just to see what they sound like. If they don't work out for what I need in this car, I can use them elsewhere. I had really liked the review that JBLcamry left on the PRV neo mids. He was pretty thorough and seemed to enjoy them a lot. I read plenty about everyone loving the evils too tho. I'm still pretty far away from the door process but when I get there, I might try a few cheap options from parts express to get a feel for what I want.

They are always swamped. Beyond swamped in fact. Just a price you pay for buying US products.

I guess a good question to ask at this point is what music do you predominately listen to? Reason I ask is you are going to get different suggestions as Jay listens to a lot of chopped and screwed and five listens to a lot of jazz an instrumental. So yeah Tell us what you listen to and speakers you have heard that you thought sounded loud/ good.

Yeah the Evils are pretty damn good and I was skeptical at first with it's specs vs other drivers I have used. When I first installed my one Evil to do some testing, I also installed a used Pioneer double-din that I got from my cousin. The midbass alone is what stood out to me, for some reason it seemed like I had subs again. Come to find out that my cousin had a customize preset set on Performance on the EQ and it didnt reset when I isntalled the h\u. It just showed me the potential of these drivers. Since I have very efficient and loud tweeters, I dont need my mids to play that loud or into higher frequencies. Just midrange output, the Eminence wins. But output over a larger bandwith without sacrficing the tonal sound and clear midrange, the Evil wins. I also read up on facebook, where SSA posted about a guy doing a swap from his PRVs to Evils and loved them. Yes with the 80PRS you have great processing, so need to worry there.

It is rough. I hope it does not influence the youth to commit suicide more than they already are.

I will be picking up a pair soon to go with my evil mid's! Hehe