Im only going to be able to push 600w or so.

I have an AA Havoc 12 here, and was wondering if it would be better to get a new 600w sub like the VVX, or just way underpower the Havoc. Im going to have to build or get a new box as well, and Skar has the VVX + box combo deal. Trying to get down to about 1.75cu, which would really lower the output of the Havoc as well.

Im trying to get as loud as I can with 600w while still retaining sound quality and being able to dig low.

So which would be louder and/or sound better out of 1.75-2cu, around 30hz with 600w?

Edited February 12, 201213 yr by ctmaudi

You CANNOT underpower a sub woofer!

Keep what you have as you have a great sub woofer. Build a properly aligned enclosure and you will be plenty loud.

Havoc.

Check the recommendations from Ascendant Audio

The Havoc will work fine in a 1.5ft^3 - 2.5ft^3

Having used both, Havoc hands down.

I vote for the Havoc.

Ok, sounds like the havoc then

Now I got to figure out a box design. Its a hatch with slanted seats, and I have no idea how to do slants, or tools needed. Probably have to pay for one.

Do the havocs do well in a sealed box? If I could get a ~$30 sealed prefab for now that would make things easier.

Actually the site says as low as .6cu for sealed. I have a .75cu sealed box here. After displacement, would probably be just under .6. Would that work, at least for now?

Edited February 12, 201213 yr by ctmaudi

Is this a trick question? You'd have to step down to AA's Arsenal to find something comparable to the VVX. Even then you'd be better off with the AA in my opinion.

Is this a trick question? You'd have to step down to AA's Arsenal to find something comparable to the VVX. Even then you'd be better off with the AA in my opinion.

I wasnt sure if giving it less then half power if it would still be better then another sub rated for less power (due to different efficiencies and weight of the soft parts, etc...)

No sir, that Havoc is a much better all around driver whether powered by 100 watts or 1,000 watts.

havoc

Try the havoc first, it is an excellent driver.

The VVX isn't a terrible driver, just nothing special about it.

I would too suggest the Havoc. American made + excellent driver + Awesome Customer service = Havoc.

havoc all the way...

How does a 23.5x14x14 box (just under 2cu, ~1.75cu after sub and aero if my math is right) with a 4in aero 12.6in long (for 33hz) sound for it? Aero on the bottom left side, sub above it firing up. Trying to keep the weight centered to the middle of the hatch, and as close to the rear seats as possible. So that would put the sub basically against the rear middle seat back.

When figuring out the power, if I have say 4x150 going to comps, and 500 going to sub, would I count that as 1100w (+ 30% for efficiency), or would they not be pulling at the same time? As in low frequency sound hits, then higher frequency, rinse and repeat?

Trying to decide if it worth swapping in comps with power over the factory door speakers. They arent nearly as good, but they arent bad either, and it could clear up some power for the sub.

are you gna get the havoc?

I have the Havoc. I just need a new box for the new car.