well, i tell you what, if this was posted sooner, i would of took it into account, i had looked around just a little and did not see any subs that i could get for the price, in addition to that, this sub i am currently purchasing is used, so in a way, perhaps it will do you some good to know that they directly won't benefit from the sale. they sure do have garage like build going, and seem like okay guys, perhaps a little too bland at times, but this sub seems to offer close to what it is i am looking for at $200 bucks shipped, sorry guy(visitor). like i said though, it is not their sale this time around, and if i was to be in the "brand new" shopping mode, those DC's seem to impress me, i am saying price for price, spec for spec. the sub will be inverted too, so no advertising going on, and i am not a competeitor, just street thug,lol, noone will give a sh*t what i have in there. man that is a bum deal if that did happen to you, just one more reason i like this forum, the folks around here are not fake, they earn their status and rep with the products honestly. thanks for the info, sorry it was too late, please still see me as Chop, annd not the 'stolen pap owner', Chop thieves