Fi Audio Choices and what would be need to buy with?

[sam9007 0]

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Thats where i want the speakers to be bettween the two tires bumps.

Your willing to make a big top firing box though right? Its going to need to be a lot bigger then that box there lol

OK im going to go with the BL i listen to a lot of heavy bass music. IM sure of it. Now i was thinking of amps now. THen the box.. and yea 2 15 sound tight as hell. Show me what you got inmind.

[Rapatari 0]

I vote that you go with 1 15" Q, and if you really want a HiFonics amp go for it. you yourself probably won't notice the absent little bit of power. its a good starter amp, I have had 3 of them and only one had problems and it was an 03 model before they upgraded their boards and one was stolen. The third one I keep around as a back up amp.

[Darkhunter139 1]

Id go with this one right here while its on sale. And I think you should get 2 Qs

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/zencart...f57df48fa98b1e2

[Darkhunter139 1]

I vote that you go with 1 15" Q, and if you really want a HiFonics amp go for it. you yourself probably won't notice the absent little bit of power. its a good starter amp, I have had 3 of them and only one had problems and it was an 03 model before they upgraded their boards and one was stolen. The third one I keep around as a back up amp.

Id have to agree

With your budget you can build a nice top firing box for 1 15 inch, a Kicker 1000.1 amp for around 250-300 dollars

Then you can get some front components and get an amp to power them as well. If you get 2 15s your going to need to give them each about 1000 watts then you might need to start upgrading electrical things and that can get very pricey. You might be able to get away with 2 Qs on about 1500 watts with no electrical work but then you wont have much room for component speakers

Edited June 29, 2008 by darkhunter139

[Rapatari 0]

Id go with this one right here while its on sale. And I think you should get 2 Qs

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/zencart...f57df48fa98b1e2

Actually, I second that.

[Rapatari 0]

Lol our posts are so badly timed.

But yeah, I am reverting my previous post do the 1 15" Q with a decent amp and box. Then you can get your componnents or any type of replacement speakers with the money left over.

[Darkhunter139 1]

Lol our posts are so badly timed.

But yeah, I am reverting my previous post do the 1 15" Q with a decent amp and box. Then you can get your componnents or any type of replacement speakers with the money left over.

It really depends how bad he wants 2 subs but if you go with 2 plan on dropping at LEAST another 500 on electrical work

[sam9007 0]

Ok does that sundown allow two subs on it? Also i will only get them if i can 2 SUBS the end. And i rather get the BL personal choices guys sorry.

I could spend 3000 but dont want to! I have the money... I want 2 Fi BLs, AMP that cheaper, and then some new front and rear speakers and want to know what i power those with. Thanks

Edited June 29, 2008 by Speakerbox12093

[Darkhunter139 1]

Ok does that sundown allow two subs on it? Also i will only get them if i can 2 SUBS the end. And i rather get the BL personal choices guys sorry.

I could spend 3000 but dont want to! I have the money... I want 2 Fi BLs, AMP that cheaper, and then some new front and rear speakers and want to know what i power those with. Thanks

The sundown can power two subs yes

[philsteroni 0]

personally i would go a little over budget and get 2 15 or 18 inch subs of your choice. but thats coming from a guy who has an ego problem and an addictive personality. you infinty probably has a nice fat alternator running in there, should'nt be all that bad electrical wise if you run 2 subs assuming your not going full gain all the time. as for the amp get a refurb kicker or go to db-r.com, he sells refurb amps for a great price and comes with a one year warranty.

[sam9007 0]

Ok does that sundown allow two subs on it? Also i will only get them if i can 2 SUBS the end. And i rather get the BL personal choices guys sorry.

I could spend 3000 but dont want to! I have the money... I want 2 Fi BLs, AMP that cheaper, and then some new front and rear speakers and want to know what i power those with. Thanks

The sundown can power two subs yes

The Saz 15000D? Cuz it only 1500 x 1. Im confused explain how many RMS it would get per channell if 2 were connected to it.

[Darkhunter139 1]

Ok does that sundown allow two subs on it? Also i will only get them if i can 2 SUBS the end. And i rather get the BL personal choices guys sorry.

I could spend 3000 but dont want to! I have the money... I want 2 Fi BLs, AMP that cheaper, and then some new front and rear speakers and want to know what i power those with. Thanks

The sundown can power two subs yes

The Saz 15000D? Cuz it only 1500 x 1. Im confused explain how many RMS it would get per channell if 2 were connected to it.

You can hook two subs up to a mono amp....

you really need to do some more research

[Basshead 3]

i agree on the research. and/or start with smaller or cheaper equipment cuz when you're feelin froggy and mess with the knobs on the amp (we've all been there ) and blow somethin you wont be at as much of a loss. then you learn from it and work your way up.

[Darkhunter139 1]

i agree on the research. and/or start with smaller or cheaper equipment cuz when you're feelin froggy and mess with the knobs on the amp (we've all been there ) and blow somethin you wont be at as much of a loss. then you learn from it and work your way up.

I dont know if you need to go that far. Just be careful and make sure you know what your doing before you try something

[theabunai 3]

First of all lets get a few things straight

The BL can hit the lows as good as a Q can.... That is enclosure dependent... I will have anyone who says that come on and meet up with me and hear the difference of the two subs (Q and BL) in a proper box.... and you will see the BL can put out some lows as good as the Q... I don't know why people say the BL can't hit the lows good... maybe questionable box building/tuning...

We had the BL in a box tuned to 29hz and it was a low end beast....

The SSD sound phenomenal I should know i've owned them one of the first production runs..

Before i continue let me say that i have heard every single Fi sub model and size made to date (with the exception of the new BTL) so my comments are based on actually hearing and playing with tem and not on what other people have to say...

I work at a car audio shop and have extensively worked with nick and scott on getting the most out of each sub in a given application. so i'm not just going on what i read but rather what i've heard and worked with...

SSD's are outstanding subs... what separated them from the other line is wattage really... with the copper coil option they can be wonderful SQ subs that would give the Q a run for it's money... get the new BP option and throw some power to them and they can give the output comparable to a stock BL and have low end craziness...

If you want a low powered sub stage then these are the subs for you... Great SQ with the ability to get low and loud... break your window loud ? no.. loud enough to hurt the ear ? yes...

The Q is Fi ACCURATE sub line... SQ is too much of a subjective word to use... these subs hi with tonal accuracy.. they will reproduce accurate drum beats instead of dragging the bass across them... they can get loud as well and retain their accurate beat... They can hit the lows as well... if you want tonal accuracy then the Q outshines the others in that category...

BL to me and what i've heard is simply a BTL made for daily music playing... they get freaking low and loud on the bottom end BUT can also be tuned higher for output in SPL comps without sacrificing too much SQ.... The SQ is penominal on either side of the tuning chart (low end down to 25 hz up to those 50hz fart boxes)... exceptional musicality with the ability to eat up some power and giv you that crazy output you want to shake your rear-view mirror off...

We've tuned these things down to 29hz off a saz-1500D and was able to hit a 144 at 32hz in car frq on a TL.... so for those who say they aren't low end monsters i'm baffled...

BTL... simple.... loud as hell and retains the level of a daily sub characteristics... can be low end beast when tuned right, can do thousands of watts with a smile and has proven itself in the world finals they can put up world record numbers in it's class.. what more can you say...

OF COURSE all of his is enclosure dependent... I can make the BTL more accurate in sq then a Q with the right enclosure.. I can take the Q and have it output a louder low end then a BL... I can have the SSD put up better numbers then a BTL could.. because everything is box dependent...

Now as for your amp... simply put.. you get what you pay for... those amps are great amps... but for your budget get an amp from a company that will provide exceptional customer service and warranty... out of those amps what's there warranty ? how difficult is it to warrant an amp ? is the customer service top notch?

these seem like mute points but quite frankly i don't want to give someone who is there prior to buying the amp 500 bucks but once they have your money aren't around after that...

I'll get to the point get a Sundown amp.. great CS, warranty and you can even speak with the person who designed the thing.. PERSONALLY here on these forums...

If i were you

I'd get 2 12" SSD with copper coils and a sundown 1500D

the subs are under 500 and the amp can be got for under 500....

Tune the box to around 32 hz ported with about 4 cubic ft after displacement and around 50 square inches of port area...

This will give you roughly 750 watts per sub..

amp pus out 1500 watts.. 2 subs on the amp they share that total wattage amongst each other.. so 1500 / 2 = 750 a piece...

If you think you will upgrade get the BL's and a 1500 watt amp... if you want more later you can buy another sundown 1500 and go one amp per one sub... and be happy shaking houses

I can assure you it will get low, freaking loud and sound damn good doing it.... it will shake your windows as well as your ass...

[sam9007 0]

Wow you amazing and make everything so clear! Now my question is could i power 2 BL on the Sundown 1500? Knowing it wouldnt be able to its peak performance?

Is the SSD that difference in BASS from the BL? I want to make everything shake..

Ok the SSD look good from Youtube vids but what would i need to power 2 BL's? And i want top firing i think where the spekaers face the sky for teh box?

Edited June 30, 2008 by Speakerbox12093

[theabunai 3]

You sure could power the BL's on a single Sundown saz-1500D... Peak performance is not only derived from watts.. It is also a makeup of the install, signal strength, enclosure and use of crossovers... I can send a BL 500 watts and with the proper install and enclosure get peak performance out of it...

With a single 1500D the BL's will definitely sound spectacular given the right enclosure... They will be just fine with 750 a piece... can they handle more then 750 a piece ? yes... do you HAVE to give it more ? absolutely not...

This will also give you room for the upgrade as i mentioned... if you are fairly new to the car audio scene you will inevitably want to go louder.. this will leave you room to upgrade in either way... You can sell the amp and upgrade to a model that gives out more power or go with a 1500D per sub (careful though as your speakers impedance will also dictate your options)...

Will the SSD have a huge difference in bass ? if you build the proper enclosure not at all... huge is a big word though but tonally if you built the proper enclosure for both subs there would be very little difference in sound (to the ear)... as for output.. well the BL is capable of having more output based on RMS and physical make-up of the sub... but once again output is also enclosure dependent.

People who haven't played extensively with a BL will automatically say it has no low end due to its Fs parameter..

I do know about the FREE AIR resonance but last time i checked with a few of the speaker designers from reputable companies other parameters affect the ultimate performance as well... then again i may be substantiating peoples idea of low end... my idea of low end is in the 32-34 hz range which is EXACTLY where the BL's prime output is for daily... If the people who don't appreciate its response to 30hz and below well then i have to agree the BL doesn't like to go that low.. but then again i don't know of many SONGS that you listen to daily that have beats lower then 30 hz for a majority of the song...

facing the sub up in your vehicle may work for you.. but you must consider other options... facing subs and port rear would "usually" yield a louder and lower sound due to the cars ergonomics and other technical terms, yet facing the sub up and port to the rear may yield a different outcome... my advice would be to ask a few people who have your vehicle or something similar to your vehicle (like muranos, or rogues, lexus looks the same rear cargo area as yours) what position they faced their subs and port (yes they BOTH make a difference) and why they decided to go with that configuration...

[yama168 0]

I dont know who said bl's cant get low and loud because they will without a doubt give some unreal,nasty low end bass in a

properly designed box.. i know this because Iam use the bl as we speak...

Aloha

[sam9007 0]

Yea i now how easy can the removal of the sub be when traveling large items or hunting etc and needing extra space?

[theabunai 3]

It would be as easy as removing the box itself. This is of course considering you don't mount anything to the box...

It's rather easy... I removed my boxes from my trunk when we used to go shopping at Sams club... wasn't a bother and was a great upper body work out LOL

[sam9007 0]

What would i not mount the amp to the sub?

[jonbearsmt 919]

you should just drive to texas with a pocket full of cash and buy my subs and amp.

bls get low.

[sam9007 0]

Lol how much?