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Hey all! Recently EXO made a video of my XCONs doing work when I was hanging out with him. Just thought I'd share it on here. Most of the comments are good which is exciting lol. Most people don't understand or care that I'm not done and that this was my first time doing any sort of fabrication which is kind of annoying. Function is much more important than "looking clean" in my book.

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Hey Guys, Just thought I would post up my future re-build for the Mazda.. The subs will be Sundown Sa 12's.. I have decided that I'm done with the whole wall thing.. Let me know what you think.. And if anyone wonders how i intend to mount the subs, this is the idea i have come up with.. An access panel..I will be using weather stripping under the panel to make it air tight..

Seriously though.....I've asked several times, but have yet to get a direct response to this question by anybody in the Blues camp. I'm seriously interested in hearing the answer to why this is, as several different people have come in here who are quite obviously supporters of Blues who are up-in-arms that we are over here saying blasphemous things about Blues speakers, when we (the main posters in this thread; i.e. myself and M5) haven't commented about the sound of the speakers themselves at all, other than saying we aren't going to accept opinions about performance as facts.

For someone so keen on using the term "rational", you seem to not understand it's definition. Which line of argument seems most rational to you? Increasing understanding of an object via methods that are reliable, repeatable, comparable and objective in nature.Increasing understanding of an object via reliance upon opinions and experiences which are not reliable, are not repeatable, can not be used to make comparisons, and are subjective in nature and hence will vary from person to person.Are you seriously trying to tell us that #2 is the more rational, logical means by which to operate? We would still be living in the dark ages if science hadn't developed a logical, rational method by which to discover facts about our world. Why on earth is a method that has allowed us to discover the secrets of the universe and taken us from the first electric grid to the Information Age in barely 100 years suddenly not sufficient to describe the operation of a loudspeaker? And why is it that anyone who isn't absolutely awestruck by the subjective opinions made about Blues speakers and who aren't willing to accept them hook, line and sinker are labeled a "hater" by everyone in the Blues camp? I bet if you go through this entire 10 page thread, you could count the number of comments negative towards Blues on one hand.....and those comments were not made by the main people contributing to this thread in favor of objective information and against subjective information. So now we're "haters" if we don't accept subjective opinions as God's written word and suggest that objective measurements are more useful? Simply stating that subjective opinions are exactly that, subjective, and as a result utterly meaningless is not saying that Blues speakers sound bad. I don't recall anyone who hasn't heard the speakers making one single comment about their sound. If there is a post in this thread, it would have to be a single post. For the most part the later 5 pages has been a discussion of the differing benefits of objective versus subjective information.....that is, until a Blues supporter hops in, takes our posts out of contexts, complains about us "haters" not having heard the speakers and therefore we can't say they sound bad, so we need to stop saying they sound bad.....even though no one had even attempted to comment on their sound.......then we go back in a circle with said supporter about the differing benefits of objective versus subjective information.....then another Blues supports hops in, takes our posts out of contexts, complains about us "haters" not having heard the speakers and therefore we can't say they sound bad, so we need to stop saying they sound bad.....even though no one had even attempted to comment on their sound.......then we go back in a circle with said supporter about the differing benefits of objective versus subjective information.....Are we noticing a trend yet? If you want to identify what has been the most irrational part of this thread....it would undoubtedly and without question be the responses made by the Blues supporters. The amount of defensive and confrontational posts coming from that end of the conversation, along with the amount of comments being taken completely out-of-context, simply because we aren't impressed by subjective opinions is absolutely astonishing, and quite frankly, laughable. And really, the T/S parameter thing can be dropped. It was an off-hand comment made to briefly display the value of objective information as those are by far and away the most widely used objective information for loudspeakers. It really wasn't a central or even main point to the discussion......yet for some reason, the Blues guys keep circling back to it. The main point to the discussion is why subjective opinions aren't useful for telling anybody anything about the speakers performance. But if understanding the value of objective measurements and a lack of willingness to accept subjective opinions as facts makes me a hater, then fine....I'll gladly be a hater.

Go with 1 4" Aero and with length go here ... http://www.psp-inc.com/tools.html Could go with 1 3" as well. Vent mach will be low enough to not be audible. http://www.linearteam.dk/default.aspx?pageid=ventcalculator

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Since the question was never really answered... The Epicenter at least is more of a synthesizer than any kind of equalizer. It samples the input signal over a certain frequency range and then adds sub-harmonics of the frequencies present in the original signal. So if, for example, the notes of the primary bass line are at 50, 60 and 80 hz, it would add content at 25, 30 and 40 hz to marry up with the original content. The idea is that the content added is based on the original signal so it should sound correct. IIRC the level knob adjusts the amplitude of the added content relative to the original signal.

Seriously? Please read the Classifieds guidelines. We have rules here for a reason. Please follow them.

It is. This is simply a logical discussion with a few having their own personal input. It is nothing more than a discussion of of objectivity versus subjectivity. ....And people judging how a speaker sounds by the way it looks .....and people demanding parameters for a driver they have no interest in purchasing in the first place ......and people who arent rational.....meaning you could have a super woofer with parameters one could only dream of and these people would still have something bad to say. Now why would any company even humor you with parameters....none....why.....they are rational. Argue on my statements, don't beat it around the bush... Why in the world would I buy when I can't find any info other that "It sounds like a choir of a thousand angels" ? There are people who buy because of that. There are people who buy on looks. Do you want to change my beliefs and make me buy now based on hearsay ? Sorry, not going to work. Understand that you are coming in a group where people care about some pieces of information to back up claims (that has been quite clear from when Impious started to post). Ultra-subjective opinions have a hard time flying. I could however point you to a group where only subjective opinions count. Convince one and you have the whole group under control.

It is. This is simply a logical discussion with a few having their own personal input. It is nothing more than a discussion of of objectivity versus subjectivity. ....And people judging how a speaker sounds by the way it looks .....and people demanding parameters for a driver they have no interest in purchasing in the first place ......and people who arent rational.....meaning you could have a super woofer with parameters one could only dream of and these people would still have something bad to say. Now why would any company even humor you with parameters....none....why.....they are rational. Again you come back with subjective responses and an air of defensiveness. I gave you an out. You just know it will make them look worse. Besides no one demanded measurements, they just said to stop the subjective nonsense and either give up some details on why they are superior from a technical perspective or to prove it with measurements. So far no one from Blues has done either. And your "rational" response is to state they just sound good which is subjective. To me rational would have some bit of science behind it. As for no intention to buy, funny you should say that. Obviously NO ONE in their right mind would ever think of buying these with the way they are being marketed; however, if you were to put up some measurements or show why they are superior technologically then I would be interested in buying some. I have a new car being shipped to me right now; how do you know what I am going to put in it? Another out you have is to answer any of my questions from before which you seem to ignore. Obviously if these were truly exceptional drivers it would be easy, so lets hear it. Wow. Do you sit there any stare at your speakers, or even the parameters as the other so called audiophiles on this forum or do you properly install them and listen to them as they were intended? I personally like to listen to my speakers, and could care less what they look like. When was the last time you could hear a speaker by looking at it? When is there been ANYTIME that a speaker has been measured and performed differently than the measurements showed it would perform?? Go ahead and use your "golden ears" and listen away. What you hear and what you get can be very easily quantified by measurements, but you wouldn't like the results. Either way, stop pulling an Ultra. Either measure the damn driver, explain its technological advancements or just don't say anything as saying you use your ears just shows how bad your hearing is.

Do you even come on here for anything else but to hype up these speakers? Do you even own a pair to be nut riding like you are? Why would one pay $600 or more for components when you cant get a full listing of T/S Parameters, that is pure stupidity to go off someone's opinion who is bias to them? Even if the owner thinks T/S Parameters are useless at least post them for the people who are interested in purchasing them just like most companies who sell speakers. Your arguing against physics which you can do all day long but wont be taken serious until you come with facts. You like them cause of what you heard from them, just like everyone else who likes them. Most people in life wont like something you like so deal with it, in which your case it seems it is hard to deal with. I could care less if I love how the speakers sound in my car rather than what other people think. You sir arent adding anything to this discussion but your love and opinions for these speakers, thats all .

A bass cube would be a parametric eq, but a Bass restoration processo,r like the epicenter, is not. The epicenter looks at the signal coming in and finds a number of harmonics in the input signal and creates the low frequency that was non-existent before. Audio Control gives a good generalization of what the epicenter actually does on their site somewhere but it's more and an eq.

Newbs are Newbs. Just because I finally made it to this forum. Doesnt mean this is my first forum ever. How about STFU.

whats going on . I have to make these stupid post . So I saying whats up and Bass Da Nation Fool!

Did I try to sell anything. NO!!! Will I try to sell anything. NO! Do I have anything to sell. No!! I have read the rules. I dont recall seeing a limit to daily post. If Im to active for you. Deal with it like you want. Mister Forum Mod!!!. I have plenty of my own forums. Whoop Deee Doooo! LOL. I just buy stufff, Mister Big Wig!!! lol

You must be from Russia in 1970. LOL!!! This is America. Ill do what I want Thankyou!

I also have as many domains as I want. And will continue to post what I want when I want. You couldnt stop it if you wanted to. LOL. But at least your in charge!!! LOL

Well I thought of one way for you to stop me! Which I mean no harm to this forum . You just have your ideas that prevent you from being normal. Shut down the forum thats all I could figure. But you are in charge! Feed your Ego! Do it! LOL

whats going on . I have to make these stupid post . So I saying whats up and Bass Da Nation Fool!