///M5

Ah, the no one got you. I care. Problem is we don't even follow pareto here. Hardly anyone falls in that category. it is getting better, but too slowly.

What about the rest

Farmers that don't fetch real market value go there to sell of their animals. One of the lovely problems with the food sourcing in our country is that no one is focused on quality because quality and price don't match. Eveyrone wants walmart cheap. Sad.

They sell really crappy meat at a premium

Happy Blow something up day!

See my last post. WTF?

You can't EVER buy a break. Sorry dude.

Animals are being slaughtered and thrown away. Shortage...

I am fermenting the crap out of everything I can. Trying just a couple things at a time. Had sauerkraut last night, my jalapenos have about 3-5 days left and then on to something else.

I had one of the NVX ones. Worked great for 20mo or so then puked

Modulating yes. I meant needs some gas control valve. On off would be stupid. I briefly tried to look to see how Wolf monitors temperature on their griddle and then fires the infrared gas burner to adjust it. Ran out of time, but am interested in seeing Matt move this forward. Btw, my 11 year old asked for permission to build a pizza oven outside just two days ago. Told him he makes a plan he can. Obviously I would help with the plan, but would rather piggyback on Matt's efforts.

Electric or gas can be controlled by the PID. Need the gas to be an on/off type of sorts though. I could see a burner underneath fire stone and some on the sides allowing you to control the heat of a couple zones. Embedding thermocouples that can take the heat and measure the surface temp instead of air of course is the trick on the floor. As for size, big enough for one pizza or 2 large boules is enough for me. More could be fine, but I can easily batch cook if something doesn't get cold soaked from use.

I would like wood or gas fired. That way I can be lazy or build a fire. Bet the fire wouldn't get built that often... Btw, above 600F or somewhere in there the combustion temps take pretty much all flavor away from wood. No real downside other than placebo.

PID. There are millions of them. Need to use it to fire a relay, but fundamentally this is how grill controllers & espresso machines work. https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwjc1e_z_5zqAhVO8MAKHWfNAk4YABADGgJpbQ&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESQOD2qovg6-ndYTu6Uy0aYL1Vgqf14Y32_pY_t3w0ZIQv3YDKvR7DJSAaQbE1QwyOAS2OIRvPMMMjmyjOJGH5m60&sig=AOD64_0rentA24na3gQZtFFJ0A7tzitnMQ&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwjI_ebz_5zqAhXTGM0KHdjeBCcQ9aACegQIDhA0&adurl= *note, first hit. Didn't even hardly look at the link. Don't buy that one...