crossover advice

[kandiman71874 0]

ok, here's the situation.

i've been out of the game for a while and am jumping back in with both feet but have a little area of concern, i will be running a 100.4 on all my mids and highs for front stage and rear fill but have also been toying with throwing a Audio Control eqs 6 channel crossover at it as well.

My concern here is that with all the crossover points between the eqs and the amps, that there will be some serious tuning issues to the point of wanting to pull out what ever hair i have left. ( yes i am considered an old fart in the car audio world now, 33 on wednesday) I am open to suggestions here on which routes to go as far as ditching the idea of the eqs altogether and just using the actives on the 100.4 or using it all in conjunction with one another. And to throw another bottle neck in the loop, the componets i am going with have passives with them as well.

as i said, i have been out of the game a while, amps have alot more features on them than i remember seing back in the day.

critique this all ya want as well http://www.djkandiman71874.com/stereosystem2.html kick the Infiniti components out and replace them with the Polks listed and you have the list.

i await yer comments

[///M5 2,833]

ok, here's the situation.

i've been out of the game for a while and am jumping back in with both feet but have a little area of concern, i will be running a 100.4 on all my mids and highs for front stage and rear fill but have also been toying with throwing a Audio Control eqs 6 channel crossover at it as well.

My concern here is that with all the crossover points between the eqs and the amps, that there will be some serious tuning issues to the point of wanting to pull out what ever hair i have left. ( yes i am considered an old fart in the car audio world now, 33 on wednesday) I am open to suggestions here on which routes to go as far as ditching the idea of the eqs altogether and just using the actives on the 100.4 or using it all in conjunction with one another. And to throw another bottle neck in the loop, the componets i am going with have passives with them as well.

as i said, i have been out of the game a while, amps have alot more features on them than i remember seing back in the day.

critique this all ya want as well http://www.djkandiman71874.com/stereosystem2.html kick the Infiniti components out and replace them with the Polks listed and you have the list.

i await yer comments

No hair pulling necessary. You don't need to use both sets of crossovers just one. Personally I wouldn't go with either of those choices, but instead get a headunit that either controls an offboard processor or get a headunit that has crossovers bulit in.

A couple other comments.

1) Ditch the rear speakers altogether, completely useless and an unecessary waste of money

2) Don't buy components if you are going active. For less than $15 you can get a much better mid than what is in the Infinity set and the tweeter in those is junk. If you are going active picking your own DIY drivers is by far the best route you can go. There are so many to choose from, but we would be glad to help you narrow that list down if you give us some space and listening requirements.

[kandiman71874 0]

Well the space isnt that big a deal really, doing fiberglass door enclosures as it is so i am open to all kinds of ideas on the mids and highs

As far as the music goes, i'm into the metal end of things , bands like Slayer, Testament, Pantera, Dimmu Borgir, and even operatic metal Such as Elis, Epica, Nightwish and Kamelot among many others. typical prog metal,trash and death metal basically. but i listen to a extremely wide variety of music as a whole.

On another note, its nice to get a reply from someone for a change that isnt bashing the post right and left like alot of the younger kids seem to like to do. The mature approach is much appreciated...

as far as the infiniti's are concerned, i was dumping those and puttign the Polk DB6501 in place of them, but thats neither here nor there if component sets are being dumped altogether..

Edited July 17, 2007 by kandiman

[kandiman71874 0]

did i mention this is all going in a 99 kia sephia ? lmao

[///M5 2,833]

We keep the drama for other sites, bashing inappropriately is not tolerated.

How involved of a system are you looking for? aka is 3 way an option or only 2 way. Have you any experience with active setups? Any particular drivers you really like the sound of?

[kandiman71874 0]

i havent touched an active crossover in 14 years man, marriage, kids, divorce, married again into a ready made family, havent had the time to do sh!t lol

as far as what i have heard as of lately, the Polk Audio DB6501 and the Focal 165A's have caught my ears, once again those are component sets but that will give ya a general jist of what appeals to my ears.

and thank god on the drama, they can save that crap for thier momma

not sure if ya looked at the link i had in the first post, but the entire system layout is there including the to scale enclosure design

Edited July 17, 2007 by kandiman

[kandiman71874 0]

We keep the drama for other sites, bashing inappropriately is not tolerated.

How involved of a system are you looking for? aka is 3 way an option or only 2 way. Have you any experience with active setups? Any particular drivers you really like the sound of?

3 12's, pair of 6 1/2' s in each door and a pair of tweets in each door as well mounted no more than 4 inches from the mids

[///M5 2,833]

Personally I'd never run two front stage drivers playing the same frequencies in a vehicle. You are much better off utilizing a larger midbass, separate midrange and tweeter.

Did you enjoy the Focal and Polk tweeters or were they too in your face.

*I did look at the link, but wanted to understand why you chose what you did first and talk about your goals. It should help us help you pick better gear for your needs.

[kandiman71874 0]

that has crossed my mind as well, been looking at some SEAS mids as well as Audax , do like a 7" and 5" inch in each door, and those werent to much in my face but i dont want something thats gonna cut my ears off tweeter wise. nice crisp warm sound with good imaging. goal here is a daily sq set up that stays clean at higher volumes but still has the balls in the sub department to throw some serious air movement, thats a big part of the reason why i picked the Fi Q 12's.

kinda been browsing around and noticed you have spoke rather highly of the Ca18RNX in the install in your truck, have you had a chance to listen to the w16nx-001's and if so how do they compare. i know people b!tch about the cones on the rockford power series with them being a metal composite cone, was curious if these sound kinda tinny as well or if they are justified in thier higher price due to better sq over the CA's

Edited July 18, 2007 by kandiman

[kandiman71874 0]

bumb for an update

[///M5 2,833]

The 16 is great, but I'd never use it as a mid in a 3way but definitely if you needed bass in a 2 way and could only fit a smaller driver. The 18 series Seas will do better in midbass output, but the 16 is outstanding for its size. It is really just a compromise though for those who can't fit a larger driver. If you are willing to plug something larger in, you will be rewarded as long as you make the rest of the stage blend in with it.

The CA18RNX really rock for midbass in a 2way, I can't say enough good about them for the money. I would expect the ER18 to be even better as a driver for a 2 way, but wouldn't use either in a 3 way as you might as well step up to the plate and go with a dedicated midbass to really mate up with your sub. The RF Powers sound like complete ass compared to either of the Seas btw.

To help we or I it seems at the moment really need to understand your space constraints better. (a budget wouldn't hurt either)

[kandiman71874 0]

space wise from what i have figured with the door enclosures, a 7 or 8 and a 5 and a smaller size tweet shouldnt be an issue. as far as budget goes, i am buying pieces for this basicaly on a weekely basis depending on the price of the piece and i dont really care how long it takes to get the total system completed, SQ systems can gets nuts price wise and i understand that it will just make it a more drawn out project.

everything i had picked out on the list you were looking at was over 6 grand so if it goes higher to around 7 or so is just a little more time, but will hopefully be worth the wait as far as the sq goes with the package. hell i was even looking at rainbows too if that gives ya any clues

Edited July 18, 2007 by kandiman

[///M5 2,833]

If you can go 8 don't turn back, what to match it with depends on your expectations and desires. Potentially with your budget buying a few different mids and auditioning them would be logical. You may find that a 3" is more than large enough to mate with the 8 or you may find that you like a 4 better. Depending on how the drivers are mounted (on/off axis) there could be a rather large difference in what might work best.

[kandiman71874 0]

well i may have jumped the gun a tad on the 8" idea being no problem, drew up a stensil and threw it up against the lower fiberglass panel i already have done to fit the door pannel and it doesnt leave me room for anything else at all lol. back to the drawing board we go....

[///M5 2,833]

You could use a 7" SLS or Extremii for a 3 way effectively, otherwise 2 ways are a possibility.