Sundown Skar or Incriminator?

[Grey_Fox 1]

uh huh

Yep.

Perhaps you've seen his exploits on ca, with all the cheap shitty enclosures he sold there. There was a thread all about it "the real kevin/subtilis..."

"Kevin"

Subtillis

1800woofers

Hand Built Enclosures

Skar has an official forum here and a forum on another car audio forum.

This can't be the same dude...

[Julian 641]

uh huh

Yep.

Perhaps you've seen his exploits on ca, with all the cheap shitty enclosures he sold there. There was a thread all about it "the real kevin/subtilis..."

"Kevin"

Subtillis

1800woofers

Hand Built Enclosures

Skar has an official forum here and a forum on another car audio forum.

This can't be the same dude...

"You get what you paid for"

Especially enclosures.

he offered cheap enclosures, you get them.

[kamahaobuilt13 1]

i just got the woffer ill give them a shot, if it sounds good hey there on the map for washington cause i would rock them hard btw skar matches me due to my scars on my head muahahahaha

Edited September 8, 2011 by kamahaobuilt13

[Ohjay 116]

He said "These are all hand built to order as well, no junk prefabs ;p"

[jcarter1885 995]

SA = VVX

The sundown sa series subs are not the same as skar vvx series, anybody close enough behind the scenes of both woofers will tell you that. Nothing about them are the same, except for some cosmetics/looks.

[Grey_Fox 1]

SA = VVX

[kamahaobuilt13 1]

nice pics they all look beffy

[ssh 924]

nice pics they all look beffy

Looks can be deceiving.

More weight does not automatically mean more output, or better.

Just saying in general.

[Ohjay 116]

nice pics they all look beffy

Looks can be deceiving.

More weight does not automatically mean more output, or better.

Just saying in general.

This is true, though I firmly believe that all 3 of these subs will perform very well compared to others at their price point.

[Impious 1,476]

uh huh

Yep.

Perhaps you've seen his exploits on ca, with all the cheap shitty enclosures he sold there. There was a thread all about it "the real kevin/subtilis..."

"Kevin"

Subtillis

1800woofers

Hand Built Enclosures

Skar has an official forum here and a forum on another car audio forum.

This can't be the same dude...

"You get what you paid for"

Especially enclosures.

he offered cheap enclosures, you get them.

You're missing the part where he posted pictures of high quality enclosures and installs that he represented as his own work (when it was not, he stole the pictures from different websites) and represented those pictures as portraying the quality of the enclosures that he was selling and that the purchasers would receive.

So he flat out lied, pulled a bait-n-switch, lied some more, and then continued to pull several more antics during his internet career. He literally stole money from people by selling a product significantly different than advertised. That practice is against the law for any business in this country, fortunately for him (but unfortunately for his "customers") he was just some kid on the internet so not much could really be done.

So no, it's not a simple case of "you get what you pay for". It was intentional deceit from the very beginning for the sole purpose of padding his pockets.

No one said he can't seem like a nice guy in person. I'm sure he's rather pleasant. But he's still a piece of shit, no matter which way you slice it. I'm sure he was really just interested in "helping people out" by posting pictures of high quality craftsmanship, claiming it as his own when it was not, representing to the buyers that the enclosures they were receiving were going to be of similar quality, and then instead shipping shit enclosures to those individuals which IIRC were basically useless. Really sounds like he was just trying to help.

[phillipathman 1]

One thing not mentioned I don't think is that Jacob fuller the owner of sundown helped create skar and the vvx

[Tirefryr 1,742]

No, Jacob designed the driver, not the brand. Kevin needed someone with acoustical knowledge on how to design a driver, so he enlisted Jacob.