Trunk Bass

[edouble101 314]

I have seen a few posts on here recently about trunk cars and the difficulties that some have experienced with their sub bass system. I think this may help.

There are a few primary problems that are encountered when we install subwoofer enclosures into a sedan type vehicle with a trunk. The most obvious problem is the reduced amount of bass in the main listening cabin. The next possible problem is that there is more bass with the trunk open than when closed. A third problem is the excessive rattling of the trunk body panels. Proper damping will greatly reduce the vibrating body panels and yield slightly higher SPL in the vehicle, but will not resolve the other issues inherent with sedans.

Let’s take a good look at what is happening acoustically. We will find that everything makes sense and that the solution will be obvious...

Since the main goal is to get the loudest and cleanest bass in the cabin, let’s address the loss of volume issue. Taking the logical approach, we would be curious to know how the bass is heard in the listening cabin when the box is in the trunk. If the car was a hatchback, we would have the box in the listening area. But since it is in the trunk, what pathway does the bass energy take to get inside? Well, in cars with foam-backed seats, the sound can propagate right through the foam. Suppose the sedan we are talking about is a Mercedes or BMW... Most of these cars have steel lined trunks or masonite-backed seats. They pass even less bass. So, what pathway is left? Leaks! That’s it. No wonder why we don’t get a lot of bass in the cabin! DUH!! So, the logical solution would be to increase the direct air coupling as much as possible. This would involve making some type of perforations in the rear deck, which would couple the trunk to the cabin. This seems like a simple solution, and works very well if done correctly, and if the consumer will allow you to cut metal. The last part of this article will give one format of making this modification solution.

By now, the highly resonant trunk body panels should make perfect sense. Why wouldn’t it rattle and buzz if the box is trapped inside? Al of that energy escapes through poorly damped body panels. We will find that all of the above mentioned problems will be cured with one simple solution.

Some people have realized that by simply cutting a hole in the rear deck, amplitude will increase. The bigger the hole, the bigger the gain. Other people do not want to decrease the structural integrity of the body. I have a technique that has worked for me for years which typically yields a gain of 7 to over 13 dB of gain.

The technique I use actually strengthens the body as well. I will start by removing the rear deck cover. I will then climb in the trunk and remove as much metal as possible, usually leaving a 1" frame around the perimeter and a 1" brace from front to rear of the deck. Try to visualize the left over metal. It is in the shape of the number "8", so to say. Assuming that the rear deck cover fits very well, I will trace the cover onto a piece of MDF or marine-grade plywood that is 1/2" thick or thicker. When I set the “8” shaped piece of panel wood over the deck, it should fit tight. I will then proceed to climb back into the trunk to trace the holes that I cut out of the metal, onto the panel of wood. Then remove the panel and cut the holes out, leaving the same 8 shape as the metal rear deck. The next step is to cover the top of the panel with chicken-wire or metal mesh material. Then I will finish the panel with color-matching acoustically transparent carpet, velour, grill cloth or similar material. To install the new panel, I like to use either 100% pure silicone or Liquid Nails as an adhesive. Lay down a generous bead of adhesive onto the surface of the 8 shaped metal rear deck. The press the new grill into place and allow to dry. The result is rear deck that is now over 8x thicker than the stock 1/16" thickness, so it is definitely stronger. We have a lot more acoustic coupling, so it will yield a lot more amplitude. The pressure will not build up in the trunk as much as before, reducing trunk panel vibration. As an added benefit, the rear deck speakers (if located here) will not be forced to comply with the pressure of the larger subs in a "sealed" trunk, which will result in longer life for the rear fill drivers. This solution will work with acoustic suspension, bass reflex or bandpass enclosures.

Some people think they’re a genius because they ran the port of a bass reflex enclosure up through the deck. I find this to be a dumb idea as the only output that will increase will be the frequencies close to the tuning frequency of the port. For those people who like the slammatotious bass of a psycho bandpass, you are in luck if you plan on building a custom enclosure. By simply extending the whole port(s) up through the rear deck, you can focus 100% of the acoustic energy into the cabin with zero energy wasted in the trunk! The hole around the port must be sealed with silicone to assure 100% direct air coupling.

Suffice to say, hatchbacks are notorious SPL monsters and are naturally loud with little audio equipment. The above technique simply converts a sedan with a trunk into a "pseudo hatchback".

by: Grizz Archer

[ricksi30 923]

Cool idea. Any pics?

[jcarter1885 995]

good posting

[Vitacy 2]

Hmm I've seen this before maybe from here? http://www.soundstream.com/information/Tech%20-%20Trunk%20Bass.doc

[Sencheezy 689]

I have a pretty good imagination to say the least, but even with that, I still feel the need of some pictures to kind of put what your saying, into a image in my hand. Overall, like mentioned above, sounds like a great idea, but really just to see what your doing, or at least maybe 3 pics, of beginning, middle, and end results would suffice. But nice write up.

[Sencheezy 689]

Hmm I've seen this before maybe from here? http://www.soundstre...runk%20Bass.doc

ooooooooh lol, copy right infraction going on here! I'm tellingggggg

by: Grizz Archer

[Vitacy 2]

Reason why there are no pics is because he took all that information from the link I posted, it was a copy and paste. But don't get me wrong it's great information to pass along I just wouldn't take the credit of someone else's info and claim its you"re's.

[edouble101 314]

Cool idea. Any pics?

This Wednesday I will try to take a video to show you guys just how much air is moving between my trunk and cabin.

Using MDF as bracing should be ok but ultimately metal bracing that can be welded in place would be superior.

I do not know how this will affect vehicle resale value. Probably isn't in our favor I can care less what my vehicle's resale value is but I do not want to compromise the vehicle's structural integrity.

The difference in output is tremendous. I think there are some comps that do not allow this modification.

[edouble101 314]

Hmm I've seen this before maybe from here? http://www.soundstre...runk%20Bass.doc

ooooooooh lol, copy right infraction going on here! I'm tellingggggg

by: Grizz Archer

I never said it was my information. Just posting helpful advice.

[edouble101 314]

Reason why there are no pics is because he took all that information from the link I posted, it was a copy and paste. But don't get me wrong it's great information to pass along I just wouldn't take the credit of someone else's info and claim its you"re's.

Nope, I never saw a link you posted.

[Vitacy 2]

Reason why there are no pics is because he took all that information from the link I posted, it was a copy and paste. But don't get me wrong it's great information to pass along I just wouldn't take the credit of someone else's info and claim its you"re's.

Nope, I never saw a link you posted.

Vitacy

Today, 10:12 PM

Hmm I've seen this before maybe from here? http://www.soundstre...runk%20Bass.doc

There's the link I posted, but you could have said I've seen this in a post before and I'd like to share. But you didn't, and in one of you're responses you are basically in a way claiming that you have "done" it. For all I know you could have "done" it and learned something from it. But still posting people's stuff like it's you're "own" isn't good.

Edited December 20, 2011 by Vitacy

[Sencheezy 689]

Hmm I've seen this before maybe from here? http://www.soundstre...runk%20Bass.doc

ooooooooh lol, copy right infraction going on here! I'm tellingggggg

by: Grizz Archer

I never said it was my information. Just posting helpful advice.

Its all good bro, just fyi though man, when you publish it, it doesn't matter if you give yourself credit or not, its illegal. The only way it CAN be legal, is if you give credit before publishing.

[Vitacy 2]

An don't get me wrong I'm not trying to be a ass I'm just saying becareful and just post a link or put it in quotes.

[edouble101 314]

I meant no harm in posting the information. I stand corrected, I should have had the author in the title. I will edit the original post.

[Sencheezy 689]

I meant no harm in posting the information. I stand corrected, I should have had the author in the title. I will edit the original post.

lol

[Sencheezy 689]

I meant no harm in posting the information. I stand corrected, I should have had the author in the title. I will edit the original post.

lol

[edouble101 314]

I meant no harm in posting the information. I stand corrected, I should have had the author in the title. I will edit the original post.

lol

Thanks for correcting me. Next time it will be more clear

I will not have time today but hopefully tomorrow (Wednesday) I will post pics and a vid of my current setup with a modded metal deck panel.

[Sencheezy 689]

I meant no harm in posting the information. I stand corrected, I should have had the author in the title. I will edit the original post.

lol

Thanks for correcting me. Next time it will be more clear

I will not have time today but hopefully tomorrow (Wednesday) I will post pics and a vid of my current setup with a modded metal deck panel.

[MikeMartel 64]

Looks like im making a new design, xD

[edouble101 314]

This was a test to see if cutting up the metal deck panel improved SPL. I plan on a more extensive mod in the spring of '12.

I opened up my metal deck panel about a month ago. Probably the best mod I did. Literally sounds like I added a second sub. SPL difference is very noticable.

I had an issue with rear deck rattles. Most of the noise was coming from plastic covers on the deck lid and the third brake light hitting the window. There is a factory installed brake light on my spoiler so I just removed the one on the deck panel cover. That is what the holes are in the video. I plan on modding the deck cover and covering it with acoustical transparent material. There will not be any holes visible after that.

Achieving "bass up front" was mostly done by eliminating rattles in the rear. The rattles made the bass locatable. I do believe that opening the rear deck helped with this too.

I will be framing out the rear deck and welding in bracing. After that I am gong to remove as much of the factory metal as possible. Phuck resale value

Onto chitty cell phone pics and vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gijaZb8j6oU&context=C39de36dADOEgsToPDskJcy1PJ0PNhiYmmhyvA9Aab

[S.DeYoung 967]

When I took my 6x9s out I put some aero port ends in place of them. Kind of the same idea. I also installed cld tiles and MLV under the stock panel. The difference is amazing!