xcon vs dd 3500

[nick_19 1]

If you want LOUD bass that doesn't sound like azz when it drops thru the scale...

SSA all the way.....

If you actually like to listen to music...I mean really listen...

SSA all the way....

What good are loud subs if you can only listen to 1/4 of your library?

Fi has real peakish graph readings. (hit a few notes loudly)

SSA is a more flat relative response on the graphs.

Thus SSA would be the way to go!

Can I please see those graphs?

[grizzleyadams69 0]

I don't understand how you would attempt to drop hundreds of dollars on subs when you haven't tried your subs in a different box...

I've built 6 boxes in the past year alone to find the right one. The box makes a massive difference in how subs perform/sound/etc.

Getting rid of those subs at this point in time would be ridiculous. Not attempting to diss SSA in ANY way, but I think you should play around with what you have right now a little more before parting with them...

Also, attempting to do 150 dB while sounding good enough for a daily driver is not an easy task. You need to know what you are doing.

Having two 15's in a box someone else built (and built wrong) is a ways away from 150+ daily... miles away.

im not a noob. i would definitly call myself a rookie. but i am not a noob. this has something ive been thinking about for about a month or two. ive put a lot of thought into it. i will mess around with my bl's before i go spending thousands, but i want to go bigger than bl's anyways so either way ill probably sell my bl's in the end. i have court thursday and they are probably going to suspend my lisense for another year, so i still have a lot of time before i really make my final decision. i have nothing against the bl's, but i just really want to get a super nice system together for myself, and be done with it. no slowly upgrading, buying system after system wasting more and more money to find where my niche is. i just want to go big once and be done with it. obviously i may have to experiment with multiple boxes, but ultimately i just want to have the same equipment for years to come.

[Mark LaFountain 1,054]

I don't understand how you would attempt to drop hundreds of dollars on subs when you haven't tried your subs in a different box...

I've built 6 boxes in the past year alone to find the right one. The box makes a massive difference in how subs perform/sound/etc.

Getting rid of those subs at this point in time would be ridiculous. Not attempting to diss SSA in ANY way, but I think you should play around with what you have right now a little more before parting with them...

Also, attempting to do 150 dB while sounding good enough for a daily driver is not an easy task. You need to know what you are doing.

Having two 15's in a box someone else built (and built wrong) is a ways away from 150+ daily... miles away.

im not a noob. i would definitly call myself a rookie. but i am not a noob. this has something ive been thinking about for about a month or two. ive put a lot of thought into it. i will mess around with my bl's before i go spending thousands, but i want to go bigger than bl's anyways so either way ill probably sell my bl's in the end. i have court thursday and they are probably going to suspend my lisense for another year, so i still have a lot of time before i really make my final decision. i have nothing against the bl's, but i just really want to get a super nice system together for myself, and be done with it. no slowly upgrading, buying system after system wasting more and more money to find where my niche is. i just want to go big once and be done with it. obviously i may have to experiment with multiple boxes, but ultimately i just want to have the same equipment for years to come.

so you are not even buying for another year?

[ncacoates 104]

XCONs will get your task done! Plus it helps support SSA as a business and web site, and we do appreciate it

Plus you get virtual 24/7 customer service with us. Have DD try that one.

isn't that the god honest truth.... i gotta say iv herd a ton of DD's and to this day im not impressed at all. For SPL i think they do great but they come at a ridiculous price for the model that would compete with the x-con. Local dealer says around 600 for a 9500 and im sorry iv seen a few break and i aint gonna wait to get it fixed or pay for there retardedly expensive recones. Just my opinion so no DD lovers get offended. I only go off experience of the product not what people say or read.

[grizzleyadams69 0]

idk when ill be able to buy. if i can get a work permit, then ill start my build asap. but if not, it may end up being a year

[johnecon2001 82]

im not a noob. i would definitly call myself a rookie. but i am not a noob.

Definitely still a

You're not getting out of that one.

[grizzleyadams69 0]

im not a noob. i would definitly call myself a rookie. but i am not a noob.

Definitely still a

You're not getting out of that one.

go fuck yourself. you dont deserve to be a mod. u insult me on every forum i go to. your lucky i dont know u in person cuz id whoop your ass if i did.

[Jay-C76 333]

If you want LOUD bass that doesn't sound like azz when it drops thru the scale...

SSA all the way.....

If you actually like to listen to music...I mean really listen...

SSA all the way....

What good are loud subs if you can only listen to 1/4 of your library?

Fi has real peakish graph readings. (hit a few notes loudly)

SSA is a more flat relative response on the graphs.

Thus SSA would be the way to go!

Can I please see those graphs?

Gimme a few...

I'll post up the graphs from Termpak design software....

You'll be embarrased as to how the Xcon fits against any Fi subwoofer...

[Mark LaFountain 1,054]

im not a noob. i would definitly call myself a rookie. but i am not a noob.

Definitely still a

You're not getting out of that one.

go fuck yourself. you dont deserve to be a mod. u insult me on every forum i go to. your lucky i dont know u in person cuz id whoop your ass if i did.

i'm positive that Jon is just joking. Lets not take this out of context.

[Jay-C76 333]

Settle down!!

Nobody admires a fight through keyboards.....

Plus nobody learns anything by having a pissing match..

[grizzleyadams69 0]

im not a noob. i would definitly call myself a rookie. but i am not a noob.

Definitely still a

You're not getting out of that one.

go fuck yourself. you dont deserve to be a mod. u insult me on every forum i go to. your lucky i dont know u in person cuz id whoop your ass if i did.

i'm positive that Jon is just joking. Lets not take this out of context.

hes not. seriously. i dont really even use realm of excursion anymore because of tht arseho. every thread i started on that forum he never actually helped me out with anything i wanted to discuss, he just shot everything down and always gave me shit. EVERY thread i started on that forum. he banned me for a week on ROE for calling him out on the fact that he does nothing but treat me like a bitch. i fuckin hate that arseho.

Edited May 27, 2009 by grizzleyadams69

[nick_19 1]

If you want LOUD bass that doesn't sound like azz when it drops thru the scale...

SSA all the way.....

If you actually like to listen to music...I mean really listen...

SSA all the way....

What good are loud subs if you can only listen to 1/4 of your library?

Fi has real peakish graph readings. (hit a few notes loudly)

SSA is a more flat relative response on the graphs.

Thus SSA would be the way to go!

Can I please see those graphs?

Gimme a few...

I'll post up the graphs from Termpak design software....

You'll be embarrased as to how the Xcon fits against any Fi subwoofer...

REALLY??? Sweeeet. I love graphs. Just tell me where they are. Did you test the subs sealed or ported?

And to clarify, I wasn't trying to say that I didn't believe the Xcon wasn't as "good" as any Fi sub, I just want to compare them.

Edited May 27, 2009 by nick_19

[Jay-C76 333]

No problem....

The graphs are just to manufacturer specs. and recommendations...

Single sub, Slot ported enclosure @ recommended rms per Termpak scaling.

Although I can't pull up the Xcon info......(because it's not listed on the site...booooooo!)

All the spaces are blank for the Xcon....

I can do the Icon ~vs~ Fi BL ????? or the BTL or ??????

Which would you like???

Oh, and what size woofer? (I was going to compare the 15's)

I'm working on it,

I have to do screenshots, then load them up to photobucket, then to here...

Plus try to feed my 2 nagging children.......LOL

[Jay-C76 333]

I know this is not a "fair" test, under real world conditions.

Plus the designing is NOT tweeked in any way to improve eithers performance.

For respects to professional desingers on here and abroad,

I have not posted any measurements or port tuning lengths. (sorry :-\)

for chits and gigs......

Here's the Icon:

4cf3 (before any disp.)

tuned @ 30hz.

48 sq.in. port area (kinda choked off with mild velocity, around +7%)

1000 rms PER TERMPAK

Here's the Fi BL:

Everything the same since Fi uses same recommendations basically)

Relative Response Trace Enable Button

When this button is depressed, the Relative Response

plot layer is enabled and the relative response for all

existing plots will be visible on the graph. Relative

Response plots are used to indicate the deviation from a

flat response versus frequency.

SPL Trace Enable Button

When this button is depressed, the Sound Pressure Level

plot layer is enabled and the SPL for all existing plots

will be visible on the graph. SPL plots are used to

indicate the maximum Sound Pressure Level output of

the system versus frequency for the applied input power.

Use the Applied Power data entry field in the Graph

Control Panel to specify the applied power.

Cone Displacement Trace Enable Button

When this button is depressed, the Cone Displacement

plot layer is enabled and the cone displacement for all

existing plots will be visible on the graph. Cone Displacement

plots are used to indicate the excursion of the

driver

Edited May 27, 2009 by Jay-C76

[///M5 2,833]

im not a noob. i would definitly call myself a rookie. but i am not a noob.

Definitely still a

You're not getting out of that one.

go fuck yourself. you dont deserve to be a mod. u insult me on every forum i go to. your lucky i dont know u in person cuz id whoop your ass if i did.

i'm positive that Jon is just joking. Lets not take this out of context.

hes not. seriously. i dont really even use realm of excursion anymore because of tht arseho. every thread i started on that forum he never actually helped me out with anything i wanted to discuss, he just shot everything down and always gave me shit. EVERY thread i started on that forum. he banned me for a week on ROE for calling him out on the fact that he does nothing but treat me like a bitch. i fuckin hate that arseho.

Well had you actually started a thread that followed the noobie posting guidelines perhaps the comment wouldn't have come. Either way, you should re-read them as they will surely help you get real answers at all forums.

*links in my sig

[REVpuggie 23]

@ Jay-C76 ,

those graphs you posted aren't really worth anything .... you didnt enter an ' Le ' with te T/S parameters ....

and would suggest that a Xcon would actually be peakier in an in-car application taking into account the cars own peak resonanse ....

the Xcon would be better in a HT app. for sure ...

They both measure just fine , I couldnt make a decission based on those graphs .

[Jay-C76 333]

@ Jay-C76 ,

those graphs you posted aren't really worth anything .... you didnt enter an ' Le ' with te T/S parameters ....

and would suggest that a Xcon would actually be peakier in an in-car application taking into account the cars own peak resonanse ....

the Xcon would be better in a HT app. for sure ...

They both measure just fine , I couldnt make a decission based on those graphs .

uhhhh...wanna bet everything isn't entered correct!?!?!?

Everything is entered on the parameters......

Taken from the very websites that make each sub.

Granted some figures are in metric,

I had to convert to US standard....

I know what I'm doing with Termpak trust me,

I have made many enclosures by using this program.

Granted, a real world application will change the tuning

due to the vehicle resonant freq.

Aside from that,

are you looking at the same graphs I posted????

The ripple on the Fi is retarded...

That's why it's an SPL sub and not a SQ sub.

The graph plainly show the Fi deviates from flat by 1 more than the SSA.

See the green line????

You want that to be as smooth as possible,

no mountain peak like the Fi.....

Disregard the spl line, it's not a true fair judgement.

As for the rest,

Termpak seems to work well for Thumpper @ PTS,

So I guess he enters stuff wrong too....hmmmmmmm

[Jay-C76 333]

I can't seem to find the recommended enclosure sizes for the DD3500 series..

If anyone knows, I can post it up too.

[nick_19 1]

That's pretty impressive!!!

Is there any way you could compare an Icon, Q, and Havoc 15? I can get you specs if needed...

[Jay-C76 333]

Yeah,

but you may wanna PM them to me..

We kinda thread jacked since I can't

get all the info on the DD 3500

[wenn_du_weinst 1]

XCONs will get your task done! Plus it helps support SSA as a business and web site, and we do appreciate it

Plus you get virtual 24/7 customer service with us. Have DD try that one.

isn't that the god honest truth.... i gotta say iv herd a ton of DD's and to this day im not impressed at all. For SPL i think they do great but they come at a ridiculous price for the model that would compete with the x-con. Local dealer says around 600 for a 9500 and im sorry iv seen a few break and i aint gonna wait to get it fixed or pay for there retardedly expensive recones. Just my opinion so no DD lovers get offended. I only go off experience of the product not what people say or read.

no for spl the model that would compete the the xcon would be the 2500 series not the 9500 the 2500 series use to be close in price to the x-con I havn't ask dd about them for a while though I don't know why people always compare the x-con to 9500's and btls' it doesn't make sense one side you have a sq sub that can do decent on output on the other side you have a sub designed to get loud and sound ok both do what they are supposed to do very well but they are not comparable to each other

[Jay-C76 333]

Correct...

I said it wasn't a fair test.

I posted the pics just to show the difference

between the two types of subs.

Not everyone wants SQ and not everyone wants huge spl.

Some just don't know the diff. between the two.

Plus not everyone is dumping 4~15or18's in their ride..

A lot of variables come into play since we're all not lemmings

wanting to jump off the same cliff. (so to speak)

[nick_19 1]

Correct...

I said it wasn't a fair test.

I posted the pics just to show the difference

between the two types of subs.

Not everyone wants SQ and not everyone wants huge spl.

Some just don't know the diff. between the two.

Plus not everyone is dumping 4~15or18's in their ride..

A lot of variables come into play since we're all not lemmings

wanting to jump off the same cliff. (so to speak)

I like that metaphor... lol

[REVpuggie 23]

@ Jay-C76 ,

those graphs you posted aren't really worth anything .... you didnt enter an ' Le ' with te T/S parameters ....

and would suggest that a Xcon would actually be peakier in an in-car application taking into account the cars own peak resonanse ....

the Xcon would be better in a HT app. for sure ...

They both measure just fine , I couldnt make a decission based on those graphs .

uhhhh...wanna bet everything isn't entered correct!?!?!?

Everything is entered on the parameters......

Taken from the very websites that make each sub.

Granted some figures are in metric,

I had to convert to US standard....

I know what I'm doing with Termpak trust me,

I have made many enclosures by using this program.

Granted, a real world application will change the tuning

due to the vehicle resonant freq.

Aside from that,

are you looking at the same graphs I posted????

The ripple on the Fi is retarded...

That's why it's an SPL sub and not a SQ sub.

The graph plainly show the Fi deviates from flat by 1 more than the SSA.

See the green line????

You want that to be as smooth as possible,

no mountain peak like the Fi.....

Disregard the spl line, it's not a true fair judgement.

As for the rest,

Termpak seems to work well for Thumpper @ PTS,

So I guess he enters stuff wrong too....hmmmmmmm

Yes you can work with Termpak .....but you clearly havent got a clue HOW to interpred those graphs you're seeing ...entering an Le would have altered the praph , that would have shown roll off in the higher octaves , so I'm 100% sure you didnt enter any !

Again both subs measure just fine , but you have to know how to interpred them , and then there is still theory over practise , Listen to both and then make up your mind about what YOU like !

[Jay-C76 333]

Now I know you have a problem reading english.....

I posted:

"I know this is not a "fair" test, under real world conditions.

Plus the designing is NOT tweeked in any way to improve eithers performance."

I know how to read the graphs..

Any two ways about it I'm not going to argue

through a computer with you about this.

It is what it is bro....sorry.