Alpine 9886 w/ pxa-h100 vs pioneer p800prs

[hondakilla98 29]

I have an alpine cda-9886 HU with pxa-h100 sound processor and ktx-h100 tuning kit. I'm thinking about selling this setup and getting the pioneer deh-p800prs. I'm looking for opinions. I'm working on a revamp of my system and wanting to go active. I know it's possible with the alpine, but i'm not happy with the eq settings i can access with the deck and i don't want to have to hook up a computer to get better sound. Also the ipod interface isn't that good. I haven't played with the pioneer with an ipod. It would also simplifiy my install going wtih the pioneer(no extra box under my seat). I figure my 9886 with accessories is worth around $350. I can get a p800prs for around the same money. And then buy the ipod adaptor for another $50. So the upgrade would cost me less than $50 or so.

[///M5 2,833]

I'd expect the ipod integration to be better on the Alpine, but don't take my opinion in that regard as gold considering I have no ipod and therefore have not spent time really using the control just peaking at it.

As for what is better for active, that depends a bit on your goals and what you are comfortable with. Realistically they will both work more than fine. Knowing more about your install could potentially make me lean one way or the other but generically speaking they are both capable solutions. Personally I own an 880prs, but bought it for a particular design concern that you might not have.

[Frostedflakejake 148]

i'm not too sure if i would expect to get $350 for that set up...

I, and anyone, can get it new for about $400-$415. Personally, i wouldn't buy it used at $350.

and i think i know what you're talking about with the ipod interface. there are some problems... but i still think it's very good.

unfortunately i have no experience with the pioneer so i can't help there.

[hondakilla98 29]

i'm not too sure if i would expect to get $350 for that set up...

I, and anyone, can get it new for about $400-$415. Personally, i wouldn't buy it used at $350.

and i think i know what you're talking about with the ipod interface. there are some problems... but i still think it's very good.

unfortunately i have no experience with the pioneer so i can't help there.

Everything is in as new condition, with all boxes, manuals etc... I got the pricing off ebay. Individually everything should sell between $325 and $350.

[hondakilla98 29]

I'd expect the ipod integration to be better on the Alpine, but don't take my opinion in that regard as gold considering I have no ipod and therefore have not spent time really using the control just peaking at it.

As for what is better for active, that depends a bit on your goals and what you are comfortable with. Realistically they will both work more than fine. Knowing more about your install could potentially make me lean one way or the other but generically speaking they are both capable solutions. Personally I own an 880prs, but bought it for a particular design concern that you might not have.

For goals, I want a system with sq 90% of the time, and spl the other 10%. My install right now is pretty basic, with reference series alpine coaxials in all four doors running off my alpine 9886 and pxa-h100 then through the factory amp under the back seat. An RE SX15D4 wired @2 ohms running off a kicker kx1200.1, in a box that is too small, doesn't have enough port area, and is tuned too high. I also have an alpine 10" flip down dvd player in the ceiling. The dvd player is coming out since i don't use it. The door speakers will be replaced by Focal 165 a1 components that i already purchased. And the factory amp will be replaced with an old eclipse 3242 that i also already purchased. The kx1200.1 is being replaced by an saz-1500d that i just bought, and the sx15 will be going in a properly spec'd box very soon. For electrical I have a kinetic hc1400 for a main battery installed with 4 gauge power wire. I'm adding an hc 800 battery in the back with the amps, changing out all the 4 guage for 1/0, and doing the big 3. I know the sx isn't an sq sub and will probably be replaced later. Maybe with 2 12" FI Q's. I'm also ordering up some more fat mat. I think this setup will keep me happy for a while. But i'd eventually like to do an active setup, with some better mids. I only bought the focals because they were too cheap not to.

[///M5 2,833]

I'm also ordering up some more fat mat. I think this setup will keep me happy for a while. But i'd eventually like to do an active setup, with some better mids. I only bought the focals because they were too cheap not to.

Don't order Fatmat, save your money and get some goodies from Don at SDS. (link in my sig)

Obviously running rears and SQ don't go together. As for the Focals, glad that you aren't planning to use them active

Since you have the Alpine at the moment I'd just run it. When you start to do the active integration you could switch if necessary, but mounting locations and drivers would help lay that out better.

[Adrian_D 520]

The main advantage of the p800 in this case is the separate left/right eq, which isn't found on the H100. Since you already have the H100, stick with it. As far as I can tell it was really easy to work with an ipod or a memory card.

[Notorious97200 339]

You'd better keep your Alpine, and work on another part of your system : get a good custom box first ! for example !

Why do you need rear speakers ?

Like M5 told you : forget the Fatmat !

I've never use SDS, I've used Fatmat in my trunk : it smells so bad for about 2 weeks ! It was on the floor of the trunk, so I had no problem with the "sticking".

I did my front doors and the second layer in the trunk with SecondSkin : I liked it a lot !

Good luck !

[hondakilla98 29]

You'd better keep your Alpine, and work on another part of your system : get a good custom box first ! for example !

Why do you need rear speakers ?

Like M5 told you : forget the Fatmat !

I've never use SDS, I've used Fatmat in my trunk : it smells so bad for about 2 weeks ! It was on the floor of the trunk, so I had no problem with the "sticking".

I did my front doors and the second layer in the trunk with SecondSkin : I liked it a lot !

Good luck !

The sub box is first on my list. I need to buy or borrow a table saw, since i don't have access to one anymore.

As far as the fatmat is concerned, i used it in my last car for the doors and trunk lid. It worked great, didn't smell that bad and didn't sag, melt, or start to fall off. Besides it's going in a salvage title vehicle that i'll probably only have another year or so. Then it'll get traded or sold and i'll buy something else and put the system in that. So i'd rather not spend too much money on something i can't uninstall. Which is the main reason i went with fatmat last time.

On the mids, i'll run one set of the focals, bridge my 3242 and have 100 rms per side. And i'll start reading and trying to figure out what i want for a front stage.

[///M5 2,833]

Worked great and fatmat shouldn't be in the same sentence. For the same dollars you'll get a better result with a real product.

[hondakilla98 29]

Worked great and fatmat shouldn't be in the same sentence. For the same dollars you'll get a better result with a real product.

Well you're welcome to your opinion. I personaly had a good experience with fatmat, especially since I got a roll for free. And I don't know what pricing your looking at but where else can I get sound deadening for just over $1 a sq ft?

[///M5 2,833]

Price per foot and utility do NOT correlate always and not what you should use to shop. It really doesn't work very well, you may have had some improvement but for the SAME dollars (okay not free, if you paid for it) you'd be better off using something else.

[hondakilla98 29]

Price per foot and utility do NOT correlate always and not what you should use to shop. It really doesn't work very well, you may have had some improvement but for the SAME dollars (okay not free, if you paid for it) you'd be better off using something else.

I can't argue with that, as I haven't tried anything else. Unfortunately I've already ordered 100 sq ft of rattle trap and I have about 15 sq ft of regular fatmat left over. Is there anything you'd reccomend I use with it? The first thing I'm going to start on is the hatch and the front doors. So suggestions pertaining to them would be most important.

[///M5 2,833]

Not that this is what you want to hear, but a little research will lead you down the same path. I'd sell it and buy a deadener that actually did what it was supposed to. It is not designed to do what you are going to use it for. Complete con-artist bs marketed by someone who thinks they can lie their way to success. It is REALLY ineffective compared to other solutions. Even if you lose 30% of your money reselling it you are better off turning that 70% into something else. My personal choice is SDS although other quality products can do what you need as well...just depends on your true goals which will determine your investment.