Phoenix Gold RSD c104

[hless421 0]

Ok so i was looking for a couple of 10 inch subs that don't cost too much but still can do the job with no problems. 500w RMS each and good sound plus some good excursion. Then i find this sub. Now i know Phoenix Gold is not the best out there but these things look pretty solid.

Link for pics/specs http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_18824_Phoenix+Gold+RSdC104+-RSdC+104-.html

So does anyone know anything about these? I'm open to suggestions as well. I will be using a Sundown SAZ 1000 to power them. Any info on this at all? Anyone?

Thanks in advance.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Actually PG is usually a good choice. The RSDc's have a great feedback track record. For the price, looks like a good move.

[hless421 0]

Hey thanks man that definately helps. I went thru so many 10's and those really caught my eye. Budget wise they fit right in.

[slappers 4]

I forgot the company's name, but I had asked about the 12rsdc, and this is what they told me....

these woofers compair more to the w7 or image dynamics idmax woofers they take 1 to 1.25 cubic foot sealed and 1.25 to 1.75 cubic feet ported i have a sheet from car audio magazine that rated these woofers #4 out of 25 brands of woofers the jl w6 was #8 i can forward you this info if you would like the critical mass UL-12 was #1 but also comes with a healthy price of $1800.00 per woofer

Just thought that this would help a lil bit. They do look pretty good. 4 of these would be lovely!!!!

[ppiflat10s 3]

was the person that told you they compared to an IDMAX and a W7, trying to sell you a set of the RSD 12's?

not trying to imply that they are no good, but if there was something that compared to a W7, or an IDMAX for 110 bucks I think just about everyone and their mom would own a set.

of course I also dont know how long they have had the "instant $210.00 savings"

[hless421 0]

was the person that told you they compared to an IDMAX and a W7, trying to sell you a set of the RSD 12's?

not trying to imply that they are no good, but if there was something that compared to a W7, or an IDMAX for 110 bucks I think just about everyone and their mom would own a set.

of course I also dont know how long they have had the "instant $210.00 savings"

That does seem a bit odd to compare those with a w7 and idmax. Maybe they meant the sound quality who knows. All i know is they sound great with 500w and they are priced right at 190 for a pair. My concern is if they're gonna last. Only 1 way to find out i guess.

[jcarter1885 995]

was the person that told you they compared to an IDMAX and a W7, trying to sell you a set of the RSD 12's?

not trying to imply that they are no good, but if there was something that compared to a W7, or an IDMAX for 110 bucks I think just about everyone and their mom would own a set.

of course I also dont know how long they have had the "instant $210.00 savings"

That does seem a bit odd to compare those with a w7 and idmax. Maybe they meant the sound quality who knows. All i know is they sound great with 500w and they are priced right at 190 for a pair. My concern is if they're gonna last. Only 1 way to find out i guess.

As long as you play it within its specifications I dont see why any sub wouldnt be able to last.

[slappers 4]

That was a very good point!!! They were selling the sub, but had also stated that in a subwoofer review, the jl audio w6 was rated #8, the phoenix gold rsdc was rated # 4, and the critical mass ul12 was rated at #1, but with the price tag of $2000.

PG has always been a good company, they could be cheaper because nobody is buying their products.... Amazon had the crazy sale on their rsd subs a while back and those got pretty good reviews. The rsdc have a higher rms rating, taller surround and etc..

I know companys in the bay area stopped selling PG products because they would take too long to ship(if I remember) and it took forever for new products to come out. They never said they weren't a good/great company though.

I think you should buy them and post a review... A $200 hit is nothing in which case I don't think u r going to lose....

I've spent close 2 10,000 dollars on car audio so 200 is nothing lol

Started with mtx 8000subs, audiobahn hc2300 amp, soundstream tarantula 2000 watt monoblock amp, jl audio 1000/1, 10w7's, re audio xxx, mmats 3500.1 amps(2), audioque hdc12 and 1200 amo, pap wmd, focal krx2.... trying to save money for an xcon, so I can do a mass review and give an honest review. Won't be too soon, but it will come:-)

Anyway, but the PG subs now.. do it...dooo it lol

[hless421 0]

That was a very good point!!! They were selling the sub, but had also stated that in a subwoofer review, the jl audio w6 was rated #8, the phoenix gold rsdc was rated # 4, and the critical mass ul12 was rated at #1, but with the price tag of $2000.

PG has always been a good company, they could be cheaper because nobody is buying their products.... Amazon had the crazy sale on their rsd subs a while back and those got pretty good reviews. The rsdc have a higher rms rating, taller surround and etc..

I know companys in the bay area stopped selling PG products because they would take too long to ship(if I remember) and it took forever for new products to come out. They never said they weren't a good/great company though.

I think you should buy them and post a review... A $200 hit is nothing in which case I don't think u r going to lose....

I've spent close 2 10,000 dollars on car audio so 200 is nothing lol

Started with mtx 8000subs, audiobahn hc2300 amp, soundstream tarantula 2000 watt monoblock amp, jl audio 1000/1, 10w7's, re audio xxx, mmats 3500.1 amps(2), audioque hdc12 and 1200 amo, pap wmd, focal krx2.... trying to save money for an xcon, so I can do a mass review and give an honest review. Won't be too soon, but it will come:-)

Anyway, but the PG subs now.. do it...dooo it lol

Yea $200 for a pair of subs isn't much. I pretty much have my mind set on getting those. I checked out a bunch of subs and there's always something i dont like about them. From specs to looks there's really not much out there. I could get some kickers but damn everyone gets kicker. Now i just have to sell the Fi SSD 12 i have and get the PG's. I heard good highs before the Fi and i heard really good lows with the Fi so im curious how this is going to end up. Then i'll be set for a while and can save up for some real drivers .

[lithium 358]

That was a very good point!!! They were selling the sub, but had also stated that in a subwoofer review, the jl audio w6 was rated #8, the phoenix gold rsdc was rated # 4, and the critical mass ul12 was rated at #1, but with the price tag of $2000.

PG has always been a good company, they could be cheaper because nobody is buying their products.... Amazon had the crazy sale on their rsd subs a while back and those got pretty good reviews. The rsdc have a higher rms rating, taller surround and etc..

I know companys in the bay area stopped selling PG products because they would take too long to ship(if I remember) and it took forever for new products to come out. They never said they weren't a good/great company though.

I think you should buy them and post a review... A $200 hit is nothing in which case I don't think u r going to lose....

I've spent close 2 10,000 dollars on car audio so 200 is nothing lol

Started with mtx 8000subs, audiobahn hc2300 amp, soundstream tarantula 2000 watt monoblock amp, jl audio 1000/1, 10w7's, re audio xxx, mmats 3500.1 amps(2), audioque hdc12 and 1200 amo, pap wmd, focal krx2.... trying to save money for an xcon, so I can do a mass review and give an honest review. Won't be too soon, but it will come:-)

Anyway, but the PG subs now.. do it...dooo it lol

Yea $200 for a pair of subs isn't much. I pretty much have my mind set on getting those. I checked out a bunch of subs and there's always something i dont like about them. From specs to looks there's really not much out there. I could get some kickers but damn everyone gets kicker. Now i just have to sell the Fi SSD 12 i have and get the PG's. I heard good highs before the Fi and i heard really good lows with the Fi so im curious how this is going to end up. Then i'll be set for a while and can save up for some real drivers .

what dont you like about the SSD?

[Kanaworm$ 292]

That was a very good point!!! They were selling the sub, but had also stated that in a subwoofer review, the jl audio w6 was rated #8, the phoenix gold rsdc was rated # 4, and the critical mass ul12 was rated at #1, but with the price tag of $2000.

PG has always been a good company, they could be cheaper because nobody is buying their products.... Amazon had the crazy sale on their rsd subs a while back and those got pretty good reviews. The rsdc have a higher rms rating, taller surround and etc..

I know companys in the bay area stopped selling PG products because they would take too long to ship(if I remember) and it took forever for new products to come out. They never said they weren't a good/great company though.

I think you should buy them and post a review... A $200 hit is nothing in which case I don't think u r going to lose....

I've spent close 2 10,000 dollars on car audio so 200 is nothing lol

Started with mtx 8000subs, audiobahn hc2300 amp, soundstream tarantula 2000 watt monoblock amp, jl audio 1000/1, 10w7's, re audio xxx, mmats 3500.1 amps(2), audioque hdc12 and 1200 amo, pap wmd, focal krx2.... trying to save money for an xcon, so I can do a mass review and give an honest review. Won't be too soon, but it will come:-)

Anyway, but the PG subs now.. do it...dooo it lol

Yea $200 for a pair of subs isn't much. I pretty much have my mind set on getting those. I checked out a bunch of subs and there's always something i dont like about them. From specs to looks there's really not much out there. I could get some kickers but damn everyone gets kicker. Now i just have to sell the Fi SSD 12 i have and get the PG's. I heard good highs before the Fi and i heard really good lows with the Fi so im curious how this is going to end up. Then i'll be set for a while and can save up for some real drivers .

what dont you like about the SSD?

X2

[jcarter1885 995]

I would keep it and enjoy the lows until I save up enough to buy some real drivers like you plan (dont waste money cause you wanna half-ass do something until you do it right later on). Just my .02.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

The SSD is a very good driver, especially for the money.

[hless421 0]

That was a very good point!!! They were selling the sub, but had also stated that in a subwoofer review, the jl audio w6 was rated #8, the phoenix gold rsdc was rated # 4, and the critical mass ul12 was rated at #1, but with the price tag of $2000.

PG has always been a good company, they could be cheaper because nobody is buying their products.... Amazon had the crazy sale on their rsd subs a while back and those got pretty good reviews. The rsdc have a higher rms rating, taller surround and etc..

I know companys in the bay area stopped selling PG products because they would take too long to ship(if I remember) and it took forever for new products to come out. They never said they weren't a good/great company though.

I think you should buy them and post a review... A $200 hit is nothing in which case I don't think u r going to lose....

I've spent close 2 10,000 dollars on car audio so 200 is nothing lol

Started with mtx 8000subs, audiobahn hc2300 amp, soundstream tarantula 2000 watt monoblock amp, jl audio 1000/1, 10w7's, re audio xxx, mmats 3500.1 amps(2), audioque hdc12 and 1200 amo, pap wmd, focal krx2.... trying to save money for an xcon, so I can do a mass review and give an honest review. Won't be too soon, but it will come:-)

Anyway, but the PG subs now.. do it...dooo it lol

Yea $200 for a pair of subs isn't much. I pretty much have my mind set on getting those. I checked out a bunch of subs and there's always something i dont like about them. From specs to looks there's really not much out there. I could get some kickers but damn everyone gets kicker. Now i just have to sell the Fi SSD 12 i have and get the PG's. I heard good highs before the Fi and i heard really good lows with the Fi so im curious how this is going to end up. Then i'll be set for a while and can save up for some real drivers .

what dont you like about the SSD?

I like the SSD it's a beast on lows but cuts off pretty early on the high end. And also i want to change to two 10's.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

That was a very good point!!! They were selling the sub, but had also stated that in a subwoofer review, the jl audio w6 was rated #8, the phoenix gold rsdc was rated # 4, and the critical mass ul12 was rated at #1, but with the price tag of $2000.

PG has always been a good company, they could be cheaper because nobody is buying their products.... Amazon had the crazy sale on their rsd subs a while back and those got pretty good reviews. The rsdc have a higher rms rating, taller surround and etc..

I know companys in the bay area stopped selling PG products because they would take too long to ship(if I remember) and it took forever for new products to come out. They never said they weren't a good/great company though.

I think you should buy them and post a review... A $200 hit is nothing in which case I don't think u r going to lose....

I've spent close 2 10,000 dollars on car audio so 200 is nothing lol

Started with mtx 8000subs, audiobahn hc2300 amp, soundstream tarantula 2000 watt monoblock amp, jl audio 1000/1, 10w7's, re audio xxx, mmats 3500.1 amps(2), audioque hdc12 and 1200 amo, pap wmd, focal krx2.... trying to save money for an xcon, so I can do a mass review and give an honest review. Won't be too soon, but it will come:-)

Anyway, but the PG subs now.. do it...dooo it lol

Yea $200 for a pair of subs isn't much. I pretty much have my mind set on getting those. I checked out a bunch of subs and there's always something i dont like about them. From specs to looks there's really not much out there. I could get some kickers but damn everyone gets kicker. Now i just have to sell the Fi SSD 12 i have and get the PG's. I heard good highs before the Fi and i heard really good lows with the Fi so im curious how this is going to end up. Then i'll be set for a while and can save up for some real drivers .

what dont you like about the SSD?

I like the SSD it's a beast on lows but cuts off pretty early on the high end. And also i want to change to two 10's.

In sub woofers, cone size has very little to do with frequency response. I suggest rebuilding your box, adjust your tuning and amp setting, and/or have your mid-bass' come down lower, if not improve your mid-bass speakers.

[hless421 0]

I would keep it and enjoy the lows until I save up enough to buy some real drivers like you plan (dont waste money cause you wanna half-ass do something until you do it right later on). Just my .02.

I think you make a good point. Maybe i should stick with it for a while then. I would get another but it weighs so much. And then there's the box...

[hless421 0]

That was a very good point!!! They were selling the sub, but had also stated that in a subwoofer review, the jl audio w6 was rated #8, the phoenix gold rsdc was rated # 4, and the critical mass ul12 was rated at #1, but with the price tag of $2000.

PG has always been a good company, they could be cheaper because nobody is buying their products.... Amazon had the crazy sale on their rsd subs a while back and those got pretty good reviews. The rsdc have a higher rms rating, taller surround and etc..

I know companys in the bay area stopped selling PG products because they would take too long to ship(if I remember) and it took forever for new products to come out. They never said they weren't a good/great company though.

I think you should buy them and post a review... A $200 hit is nothing in which case I don't think u r going to lose....

I've spent close 2 10,000 dollars on car audio so 200 is nothing lol

Started with mtx 8000subs, audiobahn hc2300 amp, soundstream tarantula 2000 watt monoblock amp, jl audio 1000/1, 10w7's, re audio xxx, mmats 3500.1 amps(2), audioque hdc12 and 1200 amo, pap wmd, focal krx2.... trying to save money for an xcon, so I can do a mass review and give an honest review. Won't be too soon, but it will come:-)

Anyway, but the PG subs now.. do it...dooo it lol

Yea $200 for a pair of subs isn't much. I pretty much have my mind set on getting those. I checked out a bunch of subs and there's always something i dont like about them. From specs to looks there's really not much out there. I could get some kickers but damn everyone gets kicker. Now i just have to sell the Fi SSD 12 i have and get the PG's. I heard good highs before the Fi and i heard really good lows with the Fi so im curious how this is going to end up. Then i'll be set for a while and can save up for some real drivers .

what dont you like about the SSD?

I like the SSD it's a beast on lows but cuts off pretty early on the high end. And also i want to change to two 10's.

In sub woofers, cone size has very little to do with frequency response. I suggest rebuilding your box, adjust your tuning and amp setting, and/or have your mid-bass' come down lower, if not improve your mid-bass speakers.

I think you're right about the front stage. I should focus on that instead. Speakers should be able to fill in the higher frequencies. Don't fix it if it ain't broken. Or fix what's not working out.

[ncacoates 104]

Jake has a lot of reconed SI BM 10s for 60 a piece if you decide you want 10s anyways. They sould be a really good sounding driver.

[hless421 0]

Jake has a lot of reconed SI BM 10s for 60 a piece if you decide you want 10s anyways. They sould be a really good sounding driver.

I saw these but i have no clue if they're dual 4 ohm or not. If they are then i can't read or something lol because i wanted a couple.

[lithium 358]

im pretty sure they are d4 but never mind them. focus up front. getting bass to "come" from upfront is many times more satisfying compared to making a sub play high and becoming localized.

[hless421 0]

im pretty sure they are d4 but never mind them. focus up front. getting bass to "come" from upfront is many times more satisfying compared to making a sub play high and becoming localized.

Can i just buy a couple of those anyway lol they're a steal. Alright so the SSD won't be going anywhere for some time.

Does anyone have any reccomendations for 5.25 speakers?

[Kanaworm$ 292]

They look to be a great deal! If it were me and I had the $, I would get them to play around with.