Front Stage Help

[karpowr 0]

I am about to start a build log (finally) but I want to get some final suggestion(s) on my Front stage.

It's going in a 1998 Honda Civic 2-door coupe. Big 3 in 1/0. 170 amp alt. XS Power D680 and D5100R (front)-1/0. 4 gauge to amps from D680 that is in the rear. Kenwood 942HD head unit, I use the cross-over controls on the head unit.

Previous setup...Kenwoods 5 1/4 co-axials...Front....Pioneer 6X9's in rear. (in car when I brought it) 2 ch 2 ohm (200x2) on the Sundown 125.2 I didn't like it...sounded OK (on mainly Pop and Hip hop) , the rear was always louder than the front stage (which was irritating at times). It wasn't very balanced. I listen to all music Jazz to Death metal...more Metal though...and Electronica music...Traditional Jazz and Acid Jazz on occasion.

I had SAZ 1000 on 600 watts 1 12" IA Flatlyne in a sealed enclosure previously....1.25 cu/ft. I always had sealed sub enclosures in the past builds.

I currently have the Bravox Audio CS60cf now (front stage)...that is going to be on a Sundown 125.2...(125 x 2) I am trying going for a more of a SQ set-up...

I am going to seal and deaden the doors and also the truck for now (using Sound Deadener Showdown CLD Tiles and Extruded Butyl rope) but....

I worry that this Component set may not be enough to balance out my Sub stage (also coming from a sealed 12 to a ported for the first time)...SAZ 1000 on 600 watts 1 12" IA Flatlyne @ 2 ohm tuned at 28hz. in the trunk.

So, I was thinking getting an additional Bravox Co-axial set (or just an additional Bravox woofer) to run in a kick panels...like those Q logic ones (after I strengthen them up a bit) Then run them with my CF Component in the doors on a 2 ohm 2 channel set-up all front stage (200 x2).

Would this be too much? (4 drivers vs 2.....250 vs 400 watts for front stage) Or they would be other issues?

Or would my CS60cf set be good enough in an off-axis setup in the sealed/deadened doors? Let me know....Thanks

Edited July 17, 2011 by karpowr

[jcarter1885 995]

I would first hook up what you have and then if you feel the components arent enough then you can upgrade. But you might be suprised wth the SAX-125.2 and Bravox combo.

[steveo50 3]

hey off topic but how do you like the tune at 28hz? mine is at 34 with the dr i want your opinion and what do you listen to?

[///M5 2,833]

I am trying going for a more of a SQ set-up...

I worry that this Component set may not be enough to balance out my Sub stage (also coming from a sealed 12 to a ported for the first time)...SAZ 1000 on 600 watts 1 12" IA Flatlyne @ 2 ohm tuned at 28hz. in the trunk.

So, I was thinking getting an additional Bravox Co-axial set (or just an additional Bravox woofer) to run in a kick panels..

The first sentence doesn't mix well with the next two. Just run what you have first.

[steveo50 3]

may be i can help...at least from my install the death row that i have is on 700ish watts. i have incriminator comps. im sure they are in or below the same range as the bravos comps. im sure your front stage will keep up, for the most part, with your fl and really sound good(m5 i know you don't consider my comp install as an "install" because i don't have the deadening) but i think the bravos front stage will be fine with an amp to them.

[Impious 1,476]

You will be fine. Those Bravox are capable of pretty decent output levels.

[Duran 387]

Those components will be more than enough, I enjoy mine.

[S.DeYoung 967]

I agree with the above. Those Bravox components will be plenty enough. I love my Bravox 3-way set!

[///M5 2,833]

Usually "keep up" is all relative to your expectations of mid-bass. In that case they don't stand a chance with a low cross point, but that is easily cured with a twist of the crossover knob.

Obviously at some level then it becomes any frequency but the real difficult thing to reproduce is lower freq's.

[karpowr 0]

I would first hook up what you have and then if you feel the components arent enough then you can upgrade. But you might be suprised wth the SAX-125.2 and Bravox combo.

Thanks, that's the direction that I going towards.

[karpowr 0]

hey off topic but how do you like the tune at 28hz? mine is at 34 with the dr i want your opinion and what do you listen to?

I don't have any idea....hahah...I got the box built, put it in the car....got the batteries....THEN I got laid off 3 months ago I am just finally been able to complete my build within the last month.

I loved the Flatlyne sealed...good response in all my music and had the output that I desired. I followed the recommendations from Nick at IA...after I told him what I was looking for, and that is what he suggested. I was originally looking at the DR (actually a while ago), but I liked the build of the Flatyne and it meets my goals for what I want. At the time, I wanted it for a sealed enclosure. I think that the DR has a more output, higher power handling, and it is recommended to tune it a bit higher, from what I understand. I listen to all different types of music, mainly Metal currently...but I will listen to different types of Jazz and electronic-based music as well.

Edited July 17, 2011 by karpowr

[karpowr 0]

I am trying going for a more of a SQ set-up...

I worry that this Component set may not be enough to balance out my Sub stage (also coming from a sealed 12 to a ported for the first time)...SAZ 1000 on 600 watts 1 12" IA Flatlyne @ 2 ohm tuned at 28hz. in the trunk.

So, I was thinking getting an additional Bravox Co-axial set (or just an additional Bravox woofer) to run in a kick panels..

The first sentence doesn't mix well with the next two. Just run what you have first.

Ha! yes, it is a contradiction after re-reading it. I have been working 7 10 hour 3rd shift nights for the past months. I will run what I have, and I am feeling confident that it will reach my goals

As far as crossover points, 80 and 100hz (HP & LP) are the ranges that I have used previously (on my head-unit...I think 60 and 120 are the other ranges). I could always use the crossovers on the amplifiers themselves and tune it by ear. I AM concerned with Mid-bass response, and I am wanting to take proper action this install. I am sealing and deadening both doors and the trunk (just for now) and finishing the rest later, once I have a bit more free-time. I will get whatever Don from SDS recommends to me. At this point, I have to get the measurements back to him.

[karpowr 0]

You will be fine. Those Bravox are capable of pretty decent output levels.

Thanks for the response...I enjoyed your review on them a while ago. I know that you did run a bit more power to them. I am staying with what I have.

[karpowr 0]

Those components will be more than enough, I enjoy mine.

Thanks! I have heard and read a lot of great responses from this component set.

[karpowr 0]

I agree with the above. Those Bravox components will be plenty enough. I love my Bravox 3-way set!

Thanks.....Nice, I liked that set as well. Didn't you have a couple of Flatlyness? It sounds like you have a great set-up now.