ShiZZZoN's Build Log

[shizzzon 461]

well, was messin around in the car today just lookin at what my car looks like before i change it, hehe.

I grabbed all the pieces of the box that i cut and clamped them all together and put it in the car so i can get a REAL measure of just how much room i have for batts. Surprisingly i have a little more room than expected.

OH, and when i closed the hatch door and got inside to look at it...

My face just lit up with the smile of the Grinch,

This enclosure fits this hatchback perfectly! The amps are timely theft proof but i would be kinda stupid to say why but anyways, the reason why i posted this is this-

I am going on 2 weeks vacation starting after i get off work on May 16th which is Friday.

I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to get this whole install done sometime while i am on vacation.

I need people's feedback to get this project rollin without anymore obstacles!

For one-

Powermaster users-

What kind of terminal posts are on Powermasters?

Are they removable like Kinetik's or are they permanently installed?

If they are permanently installed, then how tall are they because pics of them look like they are only 1\4" which isn't tall enough for anything!

2nd - does powermaster offer side post brackets and if not, will kinetik side posts work(the powermaster terminal must be removable)?

And finally-

If i have this massive battery bank in the rear, what is the likelyhood that current draw will also be pulled from the starting battery?

A lot of people say it won't but some say maybe... What's the point of an isolator? See my point of confusion...

[jimbo 0]

Powermaster batteries use bolts for the terminals

[shizzzon 461]

would you know by any chance the length of them?

Also when u say bolts, u refer to allthread, correct? they dont actually have a head on them do they or if they do, is it the same width as the thread itself?

[jimbo 0]

They are actual bolts that thread into the battery. In those pictures, what looks like a traditional terminal is actually the head of the bolt. They are about an inch long, maybe a little bigger. I believe it's a 1/2" head on the d3100

Edited May 11, 2008 by jimbo

[shizzzon 461]

ok, so just the right size for a battery terminal to fit.

ok thanks, gotta go do some planning.

[todd.brust 29]

Those subs look massive! Good luck with the build. I'll be sure to be checking this log.

[shizzzon 461]

dont u know it, i've always said their 1000w power rating is a joke.

What do you think DJ said when he seen an order for 2 of these and 2 of his 2200w amps?

I can't remember exactly but i now on the phone he said these things will be performing at their best for copper coils power-wise for daily.

I could have went up to 3kw per sub but not all day, just for brief periods. I'd rather be able to play loud at any time for any duration rather than monitor heat all the time.

Just bought me a tennis racket and gun for my Wii, I know.. that has nothing to do with the build, hehe, but it passes time when i can't work on the car.

[shizzzon 461]

Wahahahaha!

I found out how i am going to do something

Still havent made any progress yet because i am waiting on some necessary tools to become available to me once they are done being used!!! ahh!!! I hate anticipating forever.

Ok, back to the something-

I was stuck in the - i'm only gonna have 3.8 cubes NET for these 2 12s which is heavily pushing it, bla bla bla...

Well, i now got the info saved in AutoCAD and i will have the full 4.0 cubic ft NET and be tuned at 37hz and be able to drop (hearsay, i'll find out later) down to 31hz with ease.

It looks like i'll be gettin my batts soon as well....

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Glad you considered the Icons. But still very curious to see what you end up doing!!

[shizzzon 461]

? I went with the Audioques, Denim.

I would have went with the Icons but i wouldnt have got the power to them that i wanted.

You know if u buy 4,400w worth of amps, u wanna be able to use that power since it's your money, hehe.

[shizzzon 461]

CHANGE OF PLANS!

I can no longer go with a 300A alt....

I don't have time to go into why but it looks like i'm gonna be goin with a 225A alt instead which is actually more money, lol.

[shizzzon 461]

Ok, i got time now-

So.... i had been talkin to Iraggi for a while now about this 300A alt goin in my car, 07 scion tC. Iraggi was the only one i found that could make one period, regardless of size.

Well, i was out measuring something underneath the engine bay and Powermaster had contacted an Alt Specialist called www.mechman.com

I asked him why they even contact you to call me? He said you are in search of an alternator, right? I say... well i believe i have already found one and he is the only one who knows how to make one for my car...

He, (Matt), says, what kind of car are we talkin about?

Scion tC, 2007.

Oh yea, we make em for tCs and xBs.

So, this is where everything changes.

I try not to mention Iraggi but eventually he inquired about it since there was a LOT of confliction in what he was telling me vs Iraggi was tellin me so here is the rundown-

My car uses a special alt technology that uses what's called a hairpin stator. This is suppose to be the most Highly efficient alternator period. Meaning output the most amps without loss of amps due to heat.

So, we get into this little conflicting debate-

Iraggi tells me he can build me an alt for $570 which is 140A @ idle, 300A max using the Standard Alt Case?!?!

Matt tells me the largest alt you can make for my car right now is a 225A alt, no ifs ands or buts.

But why? here we go-

My alt uses "square windings" rather than round. This allows you to fit more wire inside. There can only be so much room before you run out. Because Iraggi mentioned using the factory case, MAtt said there is no way in hell to possibly fit enough wire in there to support 300A. Impossible.

He said not only that, but it will eventually start to overheat, even though Iraggi says it won't, there's too much wire inside for it not to.

Mechman is asking for $690 for a 225A alt, Iraggi is askin $570 for 300A alt which is impossible.

Mechman said at 660rpm, i will only get 50A at idle... but at 800rpm, i will get 110A.

You know what that means don't you?

NST Overdrive Alt Pulley will need to be purchased also..

So now i'm at a total of $800. Then installation and labor to install the pulley- total of around $1,000...

I'm gonna stop by my local alt shop and speak to one of their good ole mechanics over there and see if he can find a way to possibly reroute ALL of my antifreeze lines and some other misc hoses and see about custom fabricating another bracket for a dual alt setup.

IT is said it is impossible to do on a tC without removing the AC but i want to see what kind of creativity this guy can think of.

[Tmax98 3]

good luck man

[shizzzon 461]

Update on build Log-

Got my sub cutouts done, FINALLY, i had a chance to use the router before anyone else had to use it!

I got all cutouts done on both baffles...

Now, it is time to start painting the box and making the cutouts for the baffles for the aftermarket replacement speakers.

Gonna finish the box off with 320grit.

[sick6ness 1]

Damn, good luck with the alternator situation. I'm interested in what the verdict will be.

[///M5 2,833]

Frustrating on the alt, I'd ask for more info to backup his claim as it sounds to me like slander; however, I will also add that I have never needed a big alt so I wouldn't really be the one to ask.

[shizzzon 461]

The only person that hasn't gave me in depth info is Iraggi and I don't wanna come off as a hard-ass questioning his work for the 3rd time over the phone.

The only way I see it convincing on Iraggi's claims is if he can prove it's capability before I pay anything meaning I would have to drive down there obviously...

That's almost 100 bucks round trip.

[sick6ness 1]

I think I recall another member or two on this forum having a problem with Iraggi.

[shizzzon 461]

Well, i'm gonna make another thread in more than one website asking this following question so i can get opinions on this but look for the question in the electrical section called Alt choices.

I havent had a chance to see about converting my car into the first dual alt setup with AC intact cuz i had to work some major overtime, i'll try tomorrow hopefully.

[shizzzon 461]

Got another update, my front speakers just got here!!

Now, remember what my rear fill is?

Image Dynamics CX62s...

150wrms @ 2ohm-

Now, my front speakers are also Image Dynamics.

Image Dynamics CXS65CS -

100wrms @4ohm but more efficient than the rear fill.

And now, the front and rear fill together-

[sick6ness 1]

Looking good,

I guess your running it passive.

[shizzzon 461]

yea, i literally am going to be taking up so much room in the hatch area for this install... i don't even have room for 1 more amp, not even a small one

I was gonna work on painting the box today but.... met a friend i hadnt seen in forever and i just got home...

Well, STILL havent talked to my alt guy yet, but i WILL monday since i'm on vacation.

Also, i gotta contact iraggi one more time before i make my choice with going with him or the other company because i've been researchin his 300A alts in general and someone got one for their SUV and it was just BARELY larger than the stock 110A that was in his and it performed perfectly for his daily driver and a couple other projects were also daily driver with no problems whatsoever so Iraggi may just end up winning this one!

Plus i gotta look at it like this- He offers a lifetime warranty. Even if it's my fault for somethin, it only cost me $99 to have anything fixed on it...

[shizzzon 461]

little update -

I started painting the walls of the box today! yea!!!

I'll post pics once all the pieces are done.

Reason being is 2 of 6 sides i did, i made custom stencils for graphical images to be displayed in different colors, fluorescent colors actually so they glow at night with UV LEDs.

As far as i know, everything should be done being painted by late Monday night so pics might not be up til tuesday morning.

I got a friend that is offering to help me everyday to keep me on the ball to get this thing done ASAP. After he came over to see what was being installed, hehe, he wants to hear it to see if it was anything like my last setup which was extremely crazy anyway...

I can say this for sure- there will be more pics, probably a lot more pics showing up here toward the end of next week! That will be when i am just about finished with this whole project... minus getting the alternator.

[shizzzon 461]

i'm done painting the box!

Next in line is installation accessories...

My friend has convinced me to order all my accessories today and try and get this install done ASAP.

When i say accessories... u know, things to get the audio equipment installed and wired up, we are talkin over $1,200 of just installation accessories!

Now u see how i was just a little hesitant, hehe.

That's more money than a lot of people's full setup on here and i'm dedicating it to just wire, blocks and batts.

[Jcoleman134 0]

I just went through this whole thread and wow! i can't wait for this to be done. i had 2 HDC315's in my car and loved them. Im sorry to hear about your health troubles and hope everything turns out well. i might have missed it but hows is that turning out? And where's pics of the box?