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[Penguin4x4 1,761]

If you're feeling masochistic there's a .44 Mag snub nose: Product: Model 629

they used to make a snub nose .500, but I can't find it on their site

[dem beats 1,223]

still though, a 460 for home defense is beyond overkill

Yes, It probably is. However it would be a load of fun, and I want a revolver. I can then just load it and forget it.

Right now I rotate my 1911 mags every month and only keep 3 in the clip. I could have 5+ in a revolver and not even think twice.

[dem beats 1,223]

If you're feeling masochistic there's a .44 Mag snub nose: Product: Model 629

they used to make a snub nose .500, but I can't find it on their site

Someone at the range brought in a .50 derringer.

I didn't see this but the guy at the range who runs it told me he shot it and it was horrible. He accidently hit the trigger for the second round durring recoil. The grip only went halfway down his palm!

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

still though, a 460 for home defense is beyond overkill

Yes, It probably is. However it would be a load of fun, and I want a revolver. I can then just load it and forget it.

Right now I rotate my 1911 mags every month and only keep 3 in the clip. I could have 5+ in a revolver and not even think twice.

If you want, S&W sells a few different revolver models that use .45ACP

just a thought

[dem beats 1,223]

If you really want to run your AR long range, rebarrel it to 6.5 Creedmoor. The MOA game is kinda pointless, not many people have the ability to shoot 1/2-1/3moa past oh, 50ft.

I know someone who built a AR in 6.5 Creedmoor, worked up a load for it, then sold it because it is flat out easier to shoot a bolt gun at long range than a gas gun due to the recoil impulse and the reaction of the rifle.

Exactly. I also would like another actuall gun. I don't own ANYTHING bolt action so... I thought it would be the way to go for something.

I would rather pay to get a 30 round .308 mag anyway! Too bad you can't get a drum.....

To me it's a "bit" silly taking an assault rifle more serious than what it is. It's made to be decently accurate but moreso to put higher powa lead downrange and still be portable.

I'm really really hesitant to go ANYTHING less than 7mm. If I ever want to use it as hunting, the bigger the round the better.

[dem beats 1,223]

Few thoughts on the .338 Lapua though.

Kyle Defoor: Prairie Gun Works Timberwolf .338 Lapua

WoW

That's a hell of a review..

Hrmmmmmm maybe I need .338. heck load cheeper to shoot anyway. Hopefully cost of rifle is more reasonable too.

[dem beats 1,223]

still though, a 460 for home defense is beyond overkill

Yes, It probably is. However it would be a load of fun, and I want a revolver. I can then just load it and forget it.

Right now I rotate my 1911 mags every month and only keep 3 in the clip. I could have 5+ in a revolver and not even think twice.

If you want, S&W sells a few different revolver models that use .45ACP

just a thought

That would make things too simpe. Pluss if it shoots .45 long colt, with a clip it will probably shoot .45 acp.

YMMV of course, but you really got me-a-thinkin about that .460

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

there is no such thing as too simple

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

Eddy Curry, who made $273,000 per minute the past two seasons, hasn't paid a personal loan he took out in 2008. It was a five-month loan, at 85 percent interest. Wait until you read what he spent his money on instead.

For some reason, Curry took out a a $570,000 loan two years ago. And for some reason, he did it in Las Vegas, the only place an 85 percent interest rate is legal. And for some reason, he hasn't paid a single penny on it. It's now ballooned to upwards of a million dollars

In court papers, Curry detailed his expenses to try to explain why he can't pay back the loan.

•$30,000 a month in household expenses, not counting $1075 a month for cable and satellite TV service. Dude must be getting porn channels us regular folk haven't even heard of.

•$6,000 a month for a personal chef. If he lowered that to $5,000, he probably wouldn't have clashed with Mike D'Antoni about his weight.

•$350,000 he owes Juwan Howard, for reasons that we're afraid to look into.

•$17,000 a month toward his relatives and dependents, to whom he's given many of his 12 luxury cars.

[dem beats 1,223]

there is no such thing as too simple

ShoOOoosh.

I have to 1 up the father in laws 44 mag man.

[topgun 262]

still though, a 460 for home defense is beyond overkill

Yes, It probably is. However it would be a load of fun, and I want a revolver. I can then just load it and forget it.

Right now I rotate my 1911 mags every month and only keep 3 in the clip. I could have 5+ in a revolver and not even think twice.

Why on earth do you rotate mags and keep only 3 in them? Long term compression will NOT hurt a spring, its simply not a factor. They have found 1911 mags that have been loaded since WWII and still function just fine.

[topgun 262]

If you really want to run your AR long range, rebarrel it to 6.5 Creedmoor. The MOA game is kinda pointless, not many people have the ability to shoot 1/2-1/3moa past oh, 50ft.

I know someone who built a AR in 6.5 Creedmoor, worked up a load for it, then sold it because it is flat out easier to shoot a bolt gun at long range than a gas gun due to the recoil impulse and the reaction of the rifle.

Exactly. I also would like another actuall gun. I don't own ANYTHING bolt action so... I thought it would be the way to go for something.

I would rather pay to get a 30 round .308 mag anyway! Too bad you can't get a drum.....

To me it's a "bit" silly taking an assault rifle more serious than what it is. It's made to be decently accurate but moreso to put higher powa lead downrange and still be portable.

I'm really really hesitant to go ANYTHING less than 7mm. If I ever want to use it as hunting, the bigger the round the better.

Bullet selection > caliber choice.

[dem beats 1,223]

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Why on earth do you rotate mags and keep only 3 in them? Long term compression will NOT hurt a spring, its simply not a factor. They have found 1911 mags that have been loaded since WWII and still function just fine.

I'm positive you know more than me. It just goes against everything I have been told.*

and I never bothered to research further.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

there is no such thing as too simple

ShoOOoosh.

I have to 1 up the father in laws 44 mag man.

no you don't

you just think you do

[dem beats 1,223]

Bullet selection > caliber choice.

Can you elaborate. I thought when you mentioned bullet selection you were referancing the projectile itself?

I could be wrong, but in general I have understood that a larger diameter round generally had more mass. More mass would result in more momentum at any matched velocity.

The flaw is thinking that all rounds of the same caliber would be the same, and that the powder would be the same. Obviously Case makes a difference also.

The 6.5 is a fast as all hell round. Especially compaired to the .338 lapua

[topgun 262]

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Why on earth do you rotate mags and keep only 3 in them? Long term compression will NOT hurt a spring, its simply not a factor. They have found 1911 mags that have been loaded since WWII and still function just fine.

I'm positive you know more than me. It just goes against everything I have been told.*

and I never bothered to research further.

Yep, pure gun lore that is pure BS.

[topgun 262]

Bullet selection > caliber choice.

Can you elaborate. I thought when you mentioned bullet selection you were referancing the projectile itself?

I could be wrong, but in general I have understood that a larger diameter round generally had more mass. More mass would result in more momentum at any matched velocity.

The flaw is thinking that all rounds of the same caliber would be the same, and that the powder would be the same. Obviously Case makes a difference also.

The 6.5 is a fast as all hell round. Especially compaired to the .338 lapua

In order for the round to be as effective as possible it needs to expel all of its energy inside of the target. Something like a FMJ isn't going to do very well at this, it will run through both sides and keep on going, now if you knock out the shoulders it will do just fine. Also with the rounds you don't want something to nuke upon impact of the outside of the shoulder and not cause any real internal damage. In reality, a .243 with something like a 120gr Barnes TSX will take most of the common game in the country if you know how to shoot.

[topgun 262]

Yes, a larger projectile will have more mass, but velocity in the energy equation is squared, hence carries more for the overall energy of a projectile.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

In reality, a .243 with something like a 120gr Barnes TSX will take most of the common game in the country if you know how to shoot.

And if it can't, you can be sure a 7mm based cartridge will

Take your pick

A neat little page on 7mm cartridges

[Duran 387]

Anything 9mm or better works just fine for defense; usually though the larger calibers are more forgiving with bad aim. With 12 gauge birdshot, for example, you really don't have to aim at all; just point it in the general vicinity and pull the trigger

Birdshot won't penitrate even the belly of a human. I have literally seen (yes my eyes in person) someone who took bordshot to the face from 10-15 feet away. He doesn't even have scars anymore from getting hit some 15 years ago.

Even at 20 feet which is one heck of a wide room, buck doesn't spread that much, and bird is only good for birds and snakes.

The 9 mm vs .45 argument is long and tired so I will digress but the point is that a moving target is SO HARD to hit. Unless they are coming directly at you, in handgun defense situations you get your sites lined up and squeeze at the center body of mass. As of right now, the hydrostatic shock factor from a .45 is greater than a 9mm. The 9mm will penitrate more. With modern JHP they both do good jobs. However in a situation where a dude is on meth, I would take the .45. If I need more than a few shots I should have brought a rifle.

"Handguns are for fighting your way back to your rifle."

[Duran 387]

I'll just use a .22 and shoot them in the orbital cavity and blow up da brain

[Duran 387]

Thanks for the stickers Aaron, gonna go put them on now

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

Fifth Gear co-host Tom Ford managed to drive a stock BMW 320d ED from the Chunnel exit in France to Munich, Germany and nearly the entire way back on one tank of diesel. That's 1,013 miles, a 68.9MPG average.