Which shallow subs to get?

[sl33py 0]

I know you guys will recommend going full size...

I have an older Toyota Landcruiser FJ60 and want some good bass without sacrificing storage/dog toting ability.

I am looking at one or two enclosures in the rear quarter panels (out of sight and paw proof).

I was thinking 10" or 12" subs (likely two - one ea side).

Powered by a single Alpine PDX-1.600

The JL 13.5" won't fit. Pioneer 1201's should, otherwise not sure what you guys would recommend getting.

total depth (not counting what hte enclosure will use up is about 5.5".

Thanks for helping me find something!

[///M5 2,833]

goals?

[sl33py 0]

goals?

SQ with "good" amt of bass. A 4x4 isn't the best to build in, but want to be able to feel the bass while keeping it clean and tight.

I'm doing some 6.5 components in the front doors (passive). I'm wrapping up my damplifier install to help drop the noise floor a bit.

with the amp i already have - what would be a good shallow sub? Loud enough to hear/feel over the road in a 4x4? tight and clean but still loud?

[sl33py 0]

I'm considering the following as they look like they will fit. Powered by the previously mentioned PDX1.600

Pioneer TS-SW1201SR

Kenwood KFC-XW1200F

Rockford Fosgate P3SD412 (not planning on running DVC - problem?)

Kicker 07CVT12-4 (getting kind of deep may not fit @ 4.25")

JL Audio 13TW5-3 won't fit, just too big. 12" will take some work and will need custom boxes ea side.

So i hope that someone with experience specifically with any of these can chime in? Or suggest another i may have missed?

Goal is the best sound clarity with crisp hitting bass in a small package. Which is overall best?

Not competing, not looking for pure BOOM. Sealed enclosures around .6-.75 cf3 ea. May be able to squeeze a bit more room for cf, but planning on that for now.

Thanks for helping me pick one!

[djphilly 11]

I know you guys will recommend going full size...

I have an older Toyota Landcruiser FJ60 and want some good bass without sacrificing storage/dog toting ability.

I am looking at one or two enclosures in the rear quarter panels (out of sight and paw proof).

I was thinking 10" or 12" subs (likely two - one ea side).

Powered by a single Alpine PDX-1.600

The JL 13.5" won't fit. Pioneer 1201's should, otherwise not sure what you guys would recommend getting.

total depth (not counting what hte enclosure will use up is about 5.5".

Thanks for helping me find something!

Look into the soundstream stealth 13 shallow sub. i'm a soundstream dealer and it has a really good bass response being ONLY 2" DEEP

[aznboi3644 2]

I would rather use a couple 8s in a ported enclosure or even a single 8 ported than shallow mount subs.

[mrray13 30]

i've had experience installing the kicker cvt's, the clarion version and the pioneer. the pioneer is the worst of the bunch in my experience. just flat hated installing those subs. the clarion shallow subs are good subs, and with 300wrms a piece, would be a good option. i can't remember the model number, or know if they even make them anymore. i've been out of car audio for awhile. my favorite? the kickers! they kicked ass for shallow subs. i even ran 4 of them, 10" version, in my silverado for awhile. loud and low, and in a sealed box, i ran mine ported, they are very responsive. that would be my choice.

of course, it's been 2 years since i've played with any..so take my opinion for what it is, lol...

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[bigger_george 2]

You could try the new Stereo integrity BM's. Not sure how they sound but I had a Mag D2 one a few years back and it had some kick and good sound to it.

[sl33py 0]

I know you guys will recommend going full size...

I have an older Toyota Landcruiser FJ60 and want some good bass without sacrificing storage/dog toting ability.

I am looking at one or two enclosures in the rear quarter panels (out of sight and paw proof).

I was thinking 10" or 12" subs (likely two - one ea side).

Powered by a single Alpine PDX-1.600

The JL 13.5" won't fit. Pioneer 1201's should, otherwise not sure what you guys would recommend getting.

total depth (not counting what hte enclosure will use up is about 5.5".

Thanks for helping me find something!

Look into the soundstream stealth 13 shallow sub. i'm a soundstream dealer and it has a really good bass response being ONLY 2" DEEP

Thanks for the rec. I looked at the stealth 13 - but it's a 13.5" sub like the JL - which just won't fit in the height i have available in those quarters. 12 is as big as i can go...

i've got 5.5" depth to work with, not counting what is used by the box.

Thx!

[sl33py 0]

I would rather use a couple 8s in a ported enclosure or even a single 8 ported than shallow mount subs.

I'm not opposed to 8's in a sealed enclosure - would they fit in the shallow depth i need?

[lithium 358]

I would rather use a couple 8s in a ported enclosure or even a single 8 ported than shallow mount subs.

I'm not opposed to 8's in a sealed enclosure - would they fit in the shallow depth i need?

.6 -.75 cu ft sounds good for 1 or 2 8s per side. i vote two 8s per side or a 10" in that space. for the cost of a good shallow mount 12 you can find decent 8s that can fit.

Edited October 6, 2009 by lithium

[sl33py 0]

i've had experience installing the kicker cvt's, the clarion version and the pioneer. the pioneer is the worst of the bunch in my experience. just flat hated installing those subs. the clarion shallow subs are good subs, and with 300wrms a piece, would be a good option. i can't remember the model number, or know if they even make them anymore. i've been out of car audio for awhile. my favorite? the kickers! they kicked ass for shallow subs. i even ran 4 of them, 10" version, in my silverado for awhile. loud and low, and in a sealed box, i ran mine ported, they are very responsive. that would be my choice.

of course, it's been 2 years since i've played with any..so take my opinion for what it is, lol...

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Great! thanks for your feedback on those! I wonder if the pioneers are better now? the 1201's are the latest generation of them. What didn't you like? Just the install or also the sound?

I'll definitely check out the Kickers!

[lithium 358]

i've had experience installing the kicker cvt's, the clarion version and the pioneer. the pioneer is the worst of the bunch in my experience. just flat hated installing those subs. the clarion shallow subs are good subs, and with 300wrms a piece, would be a good option. i can't remember the model number, or know if they even make them anymore. i've been out of car audio for awhile. my favorite? the kickers! they kicked ass for shallow subs. i even ran 4 of them, 10" version, in my silverado for awhile. loud and low, and in a sealed box, i ran mine ported, they are very responsive. that would be my choice.

of course, it's been 2 years since i've played with any..so take my opinion for what it is, lol...

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Great! thanks for your feedback on those! I wonder if the pioneers are better now? the 1201's are the latest generation of them. What didn't you like? Just the install or also the sound?

I'll definitely check out the Kickers!

kicker l5 or l7 8s or maybe the 10s might fit. im pretty sure the 8 have a mounting depth of about 4.75"

u can get an l5 8" for 65 shipped off ebay..

[sl33py 0]

You could try the new Stereo integrity BM's. Not sure how they sound but I had a Mag D2 one a few years back and it had some kick and good sound to it.

Great! reading up on it now. Thanks for the suggestion.

[djphilly 11]

I know you guys will recommend going full size...

I have an older Toyota Landcruiser FJ60 and want some good bass without sacrificing storage/dog toting ability.

I am looking at one or two enclosures in the rear quarter panels (out of sight and paw proof).

I was thinking 10" or 12" subs (likely two - one ea side).

Powered by a single Alpine PDX-1.600

The JL 13.5" won't fit. Pioneer 1201's should, otherwise not sure what you guys would recommend getting.

total depth (not counting what hte enclosure will use up is about 5.5".

Thanks for helping me find something!

Look into the soundstream stealth 13 shallow sub. i'm a soundstream dealer and it has a really good bass response being ONLY 2" DEEP

Thanks for the rec. I looked at the stealth 13 - but it's a 13.5" sub like the JL - which just won't fit in the height i have available in those quarters. 12 is as big as i can go...

i've got 5.5" depth to work with, not counting what is used by the box.

Thx!

Yes, but the cutout is that of a 12 in sub. its like 11.375"

[KU40 173]

You could try the new Stereo integrity BM's. Not sure how they sound but I had a Mag D2 one a few years back and it had some kick and good sound to it.

Great! reading up on it now. Thanks for the suggestion.

The BMs would be a good choice. The new Mags and BMs have the XBL^2 motor, which, if you haven't heard one, sound a bit different that other subs. They are very low distortion, which takes some getting used to. I had one of the new Mags but switched back to my 15" mag v.2 in a ported box because I just love the output and low end. The new Mags and BMs are in quite a different direction than the previous versions. They are really geared more to the SQ crowd with the low distortion, very even frequency response, and good blending with the mids.

[sl33py 0]

I know you guys will recommend going full size...

I have an older Toyota Landcruiser FJ60 and want some good bass without sacrificing storage/dog toting ability.

I am looking at one or two enclosures in the rear quarter panels (out of sight and paw proof).

I was thinking 10" or 12" subs (likely two - one ea side).

Powered by a single Alpine PDX-1.600

The JL 13.5" won't fit. Pioneer 1201's should, otherwise not sure what you guys would recommend getting.

total depth (not counting what hte enclosure will use up is about 5.5".

Thanks for helping me find something!

Look into the soundstream stealth 13 shallow sub. i'm a soundstream dealer and it has a really good bass response being ONLY 2" DEEP

Thanks for the rec. I looked at the stealth 13 - but it's a 13.5" sub like the JL - which just won't fit in the height i have available in those quarters. 12 is as big as i can go...

i've got 5.5" depth to work with, not counting what is used by the box.

Thx!

Yes, but the cutout is that of a 12 in sub. its like 11.375"

I saw that. unfortunately the space i have really is tight on a 12. I really doubt it would fit. I'll take some more measurements and check though. A lot will depend on the enclosure i have built, so trying to be a bit conservative.

[djphilly 11]

I know you guys will recommend going full size...

I have an older Toyota Landcruiser FJ60 and want some good bass without sacrificing storage/dog toting ability.

I am looking at one or two enclosures in the rear quarter panels (out of sight and paw proof).

I was thinking 10" or 12" subs (likely two - one ea side).

Powered by a single Alpine PDX-1.600

The JL 13.5" won't fit. Pioneer 1201's should, otherwise not sure what you guys would recommend getting.

total depth (not counting what hte enclosure will use up is about 5.5".

Thanks for helping me find something!

Look into the soundstream stealth 13 shallow sub. i'm a soundstream dealer and it has a really good bass response being ONLY 2" DEEP

Thanks for the rec. I looked at the stealth 13 - but it's a 13.5" sub like the JL - which just won't fit in the height i have available in those quarters. 12 is as big as i can go...

i've got 5.5" depth to work with, not counting what is used by the box.

Thx!

Yes, but the cutout is that of a 12 in sub. its like 11.375"

I saw that. unfortunately the space i have really is tight on a 12. I really doubt it would fit. I'll take some more measurements and check though. A lot will depend on the enclosure i have built, so trying to be a bit conservative.

i gotcha. good look let us know what you decide

[mrray13 30]

i've had experience installing the kicker cvt's, the clarion version and the pioneer. the pioneer is the worst of the bunch in my experience. just flat hated installing those subs. the clarion shallow subs are good subs, and with 300wrms a piece, would be a good option. i can't remember the model number, or know if they even make them anymore. i've been out of car audio for awhile. my favorite? the kickers! they kicked ass for shallow subs. i even ran 4 of them, 10" version, in my silverado for awhile. loud and low, and in a sealed box, i ran mine ported, they are very responsive. that would be my choice.

of course, it's been 2 years since i've played with any..so take my opinion for what it is, lol...

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Great! thanks for your feedback on those! I wonder if the pioneers are better now? the 1201's are the latest generation of them. What didn't you like? Just the install or also the sound?

I'll definitely check out the Kickers!

the pioneers just didn't do anything...loud, nope. low, nope. sound good, kinda. same install, the clarions and kickers walked all over the pioneers in every way.

iirc, the kickers did have a deeper mounting depth, but i think well within what you are after.

yes, it's been that long, lol

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[thundercat 1]

hope that steers u in the right direction

[sl33py 0]

thanks guys! I'm hoping to find some of the BM's to listen to. I don't neeed BOOM, but do occasionally like it. I'd like SQ, but honestly in this truck it's gotta be loud enough to hear over the tires on the freeway. I'm hoping the Dampener will help with that.

I appreciate everyone's input. If i can find a 12" with good SQ, but able to push a bit of SPL I will be happy. No competitions and no real showing off - just to listen to on the way to work or on road trips someplace fun.

Ultimately you guys have really helped me figure out what i want. I need to listen to a couple different setups, but getting close now.

thank you!

[BigCProductions99 21]

I Feel Your Pain, I Drive A 1987 GMC Jimmy Fullsize With 37 Inch Irok Radials, It Used To Have 38.5 Inch Bogger Biases, And I Bet You Know How Loud Those Are. By The Way, Love Those Old FJ40's And FJ60's, Don't Ever Sell It. Think About A.....I Haven't Been On So Long I Forgot The Name Of The Damn Woofer, Hell They May Not Even Make It Anymore...Oh, Sundown E8, One Of Those Each Side.

[Quick_Kid 0]

they new memphis shallow mounts are pretty good you should try those

[jcarter1885 995]

they new memphis shallow mounts are pretty good you should try those

Have you used them or heard them, and if so give him some more info on why you think there pretty good.

[sl33py 0]

I Feel Your Pain, I Drive A 1987 GMC Jimmy Fullsize With 37 Inch Irok Radials, It Used To Have 38.5 Inch Bogger Biases, And I Bet You Know How Loud Those Are. By The Way, Love Those Old FJ40's And FJ60's, Don't Ever Sell It. Think About A.....I Haven't Been On So Long I Forgot The Name Of The Damn Woofer, Hell They May Not Even Make It Anymore...Oh, Sundown E8, One Of Those Each Side.

Thanks BigC! I love my 60(s), but one will be going bye bye soon. I've got an 84 and 87. The 84 is the one i'm building up. Has a 5sp and 33's now, trying to see if i can squeeze 35's. Regear in the near future... 33's or even 35's - Definitely not like your Bias Boggers- yikes those bad boys are LOUD going down the hwy!!! But great offroad. This is more for a DD/wknd toy not wknd toy only. Getting paint now, wrapping up damplifier pro install (slowly) etc. When it's done the 87 will go on local CL and bye bye. Don't need two unfortunately. Then maybe diesel conversion in a yr or two... It's good to dream!

I checked out the E8's - not sure those would handle the 600WRMS i have available to push them. Alpine PDX1.600.