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I am not at all satisfied with my current mids and highs, they are just loud enough to be heard over the BTL, but they sound horribly stressed and weak in comparison. 

 

I wanted to put a pair of 8's in my front doors, and some new tweeters up on the pillar or the dash; before I look into getting pods made for my doors, has anyone had any luck fitting 8's in the doors of a Blazer/Bravada/Jimmy ?

i'd like to keep it simple, at least til it's warmer out. 

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what processing do you have?

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I'm going to be putting 8's in the doors of my Jimmy VERY soon, however you're probably going to have a hard time finding a good 8 that's going to play nicely up to the point a tweeter can take over or a tweeter that can play low enough to keep the 8 out of trouble.  You might want to look into doing a full range/dedicated midbass setup.  I'm REALLY liking what I'm getting from my testing with such a setup and it's going to take 8's or larger for the midbass to even begin to keep up with that 18.  No matter what you do you're going to need something with some processing prowess to get it all to work and play together nicely.

 

So let's start there as Lithium asked, what kind of processing do you have, if any?  If none, how much can you put toward some processing?  The Clarion CZ702 HU can be picked up for about $150 most places and has enough processing prowess to give even a 3 way setup a go, it's been doing great for me.  If you can spend more then there are a number of ways to go, such as the miniDSP.  You're also going to need at least 4 channels of amplification for the highs as well to power everything so if you don't already have a pair of 2 channels, or a 4 channel amp you'll have to keep that in mind as well.

 

I'm going to have a few full ranges and an amp or two for sale here before too long and some of that stuff might do you well for where you're trying to go.

 

 

You're up in Indy, not too horribly far away.  I can't drive the Jimmy to you (bad trans at the moment) but if you ever wanted to come down to hear it for yourself you're more than welcome to.

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I'm tuned in.

Someday I'll try an active setup for my front stgage. It will be for my next var, hopufully.  :)

I'm still learning.

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I am not at all satisfied with my current mids and highs, they are just loud enough to be heard over the BTL, but they sound horribly stressed and weak in comparison.

You can or can't hear them? What part is stressed? What have you already tried to improve the situation with what you have? What other equipment/processing do you have available? What is currently installed?

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All that's installed right now is pawn shop pickings, other than the btl

Alpine component 6.5's (the old blue ones), orion xtr coaxials 6.5's, a Dual 2ch amp for the highs (only better than nothing)

My head unit is a Sony XAV-63. I can set time alignment and listening posistion within the vehicle. I have a seven band EQ, and it has xovers built in at 60/80/100/120/full for the doors. I can cross the sub as high as 100.

Amp for the woofer is a crunch powerzone 1500.

As you can see, the BTL is only the first step in the right direction

M5, it sounds like my litte dual amp is a mouse lifting a fat man, it can't handle high listening levels, hell its only rated for. 75/2 @ 2ohms and I doubt it does that. Was thinking about a crescendo amp. Really have no clue about mids and highs. As a little kid developed this hardon about big woofers and forgot the rest of the spectrum >.<

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so you're running both sets of speakers on the 2 channel? what is the high pass set at? disable the sub while testing a higher xover point. 

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My front and rears are paralleled at 2ohm stereo.

My highpass is set at 100. I don't think they sound any better with it set lower. No change in sound at listening volumes. Listening volume is kinda high, my noise floor is FUCKED

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trying to help you troubleshoot the issue sean is asking. one problem could be xover settings. try turn the hpf up. if you're having noise issues address those first. throwing money at some cresendo shit will not fix any of that. 

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I would also try it without the rear set connected.  The load will be easier on the amp, the front set won't run the amp into hard clipping as easy as both sets connected...  Image will probably be better also.  I would put the better of the two sets in the front.  Also adjust the HPF as the other guys have stated...

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my noise floor is FUCKED

What do you mean? From my perspective this is unrelated to anything else that is said, but understanding what you are implying might help.

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Road noise is so high I usually end up with it louder than i'd like for most listening.

I originally only had the alpine comps and they simply weren't loud enough, vocals drowned in the bass

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Quieter tires. Sound deadner. Less clipping.

 

How are the current drivers mounted? Pics?  

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Road noise is so high I usually end up with it louder than i'd like for most listening.

I originally only had the alpine comps and they simply weren't loud enough, vocals drowned in the bass

Then fix the road noise first. I also think you have confused what is actually louder. I doubt it is any louder adding the extra set. Sure some frequencies will be but overall I doubt it unless you changed something else at the same time.

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Road noise is so high I usually end up with it louder than i'd like for most listening.

I originally only had the alpine comps and they simply weren't loud enough, vocals drowned in the bass

Then fix the road noise first. I also think you have confused what is actually louder. I doubt it is any louder adding the extra set. Sure some frequencies will be but overall I doubt it unless you changed something else at the same time.

It's not much louder, it's only really still hooked up for passengers. I have a time alignment processor on my hu that I could use if I stuck to one pair

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Sounds like road noise is your biggest problem. Spend your money on acoustic treatments and remove the rears and then see where you are at.

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Truck is totalled. Was run off the road at 50mph by some cunt driving halfway into my lane coming the opposite direction. Sheared off a rear wheel at the frame, crushed the roof, landed upside down backwards in a drainage ditch

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Glad you are OK.

 

X2!

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Glad you are OK.

X2!

x3

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No broken bones, but my hands are torn up from digging through the snow looking for my phone in the panic (my phone is my 20 year old blankie, i'm unhealthily attached). When they managed to pry me off my truck, I looked at the snow and my hands and theres shattered glass and blood everywhere. I couldn't see the glass in the snow, plus the adrenaline and the cold, I didnt feel it happening.

I had an anxiety attack in the ambulance and apparently snarled something so vicious about my sound system the police agreed to escort my truck to the tow lot.

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Thanks guys.

And don't worry. I won't put the BTL in a backpack.

Time to pass out. See you all later.

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