ZCON Prototype

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

If you get T/S specs including RMS before my build, I might be having a DD 9512H sale.

J

It appears the SSA does not design products therefore specs are unknown.

Pricing looks pretty fair for a monster woofer. Check out how much a 9518 or Level5 18 is going to cost you...

Completely different level of product.

^ ...

that reminds me Mark (or Aaron)

will there be a Pre-sale for a discount or something like that?

ZCONs are comimg very soon guys.... finally. And the introductory price will be killer!

No thanks.

We work with two of the best in the industry when dealing with each new model. We have had T/S specs on the Zcon, we have not released them yet, but will shortly.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Damn EDub, Wash the sand out your Va-jayjay Bro.

I have no problem voicing my opinion whether it is liked or not.

I own a SSA product. Unless I see some product design testing (by SSA) and specs it will be the last.

MY OPINION -1 if you like.

I guess you missed some of the info in the past. Anyway, the "Zcon" model line has been in the works on and off for a few years, but only recently did it get a name. There have been more then a few different big power prototypes that we tested and did not move forward with. We even flirted with a 4" coil, but did not go that direction. A couple of years ago, we had started to go with a massive triple stack driver. The output on that model was just bonkers, way more then any of our other models, but it did not have the clarity we require from our production sub woofers. Had a number of samples built up, there are a few videos on our channel with these installed, I believe the most viewed one is of John's green blazer. Over time, things got moved around, and other models were released first. A couple more prototypes went through Mark's truck, most recently the one with the two massive aero-ports. We do plenty of testing, Mark usually films his, I don't. The testing Mark does is more video friendly then my critical listening testing. As the Zcon model design is finally set, that is why we had a handful go out initially before they were actually for sale to the public. Knowing we could not send them out on the market just yet due to steel supplies, it was good to get a few out there in Team members vehicles and let them do some extended abuse testing in a number of different installs and power.

[ford302redneck 15]

Damn EDub, Wash the sand out your Va-jayjay Bro.

I have no problem voicing my opinion whether it is liked or not.

I own a SSA product. Unless I see some product design testing (by SSA) and specs it will be the last.

MY OPINION -1 if you like.

LOL,

only -1 I see is mine from someone who is apparently very butthurt. Do you need a hug?

That is a lame response Lance. If you are going to rep SSA and be part of Team SSA I would think you should respond with a little more intelligence and dignity.

BTW tell us how many deebeez (4) 18" ZCON and +12,000wrms produces. Should be high 150's ATLEAST imo.

How do you know how well it should meter?

Lance didn't build something that just gets loud in a certain spot, just to impress people on a internet forum. People lose sight of that, Lance built his to listen to it. Period.

All I gotta say is your a straight up hater. You think you know something, but you really don't. You down SSA but working with two of the best in this industry to help them design a sub, instead of doing it souly alone. I see this as a positive. I much rather have a sub designed by people who know what they are doing, than a random person who wants to have there own company. Or a company who just copies other outdated subs, then sells them for a great deal more than the originals.

And why do you need proof for testing? Since when does companies give you the behind the scene of any testing? I don't know many, or any at all. Just because they didn't post pictures of previews drivers, doesn't mean they don't exist. I find it better not to release protos that might not have a chance to make it to productions. Simply because, you don't have to worry about hyping and not delivering.

But at the end of the day, a hater will find any reason to hate. Even if they don't make any sense.

[kirill007 52]

Lol edouble.

Don't worry 4 18's Zcon can easily do 150+.

There is a car with 4 15" icons and it does over 155 at low hertz.(= lower then 35hz, but i don't know how low.)

[edouble101 314]

I figured Lance's fanboy would jump in.

Four 18" subs with 12,000wrms better be loud. Period.

I am the consumer posting in the manufacturers section. My opionions and questions. You dont like it? Too bad.

[edouble101 314]

Lol edouble.

Don't worry 4 18's Zcon can easily do 150+.

There is a car with 4 15" icons and it does over 155 at low hertz.(= lower then 35hz, but i don't know how low.)

Sweet. I would love to see the vid of that!

[emh9009 199]

I figured Lance's fanboy would jump in.

Four 18" subs with 12,000wrms better be loud. Period.

I am the consumer posting in the manufacturers section. My opionions and questions. You dont like it? Too bad.

Have you seen his videos? there is no way anyone would call that not loud. Ridiculous flex. Check out his build log

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Will did a 57 and change this past weekend I think, and has been doing consistent 56's with well less then 12k watts.

[emh9009 199]

Will did a 57 and change this past weekend I think, and has been doing consistent 56's with well less then 12k watts.

[AirLFTN 7]

Will did a 57 and change this past weekend I think, and has been doing consistent 56's with well less then 12k watts.

@ the headrest! Does around a 158 in the kick.

[edouble101 314]

Will did a 57 and change this past weekend I think, and has been doing consistent 56's with well less then 12k watts.

Will did a 57 and change this past weekend I think, and has been doing consistent 56's with well less then 12k watts.

Will did a 57 and change this past weekend I think, and has been doing consistent 56's with well less then 12k watts.

@ the headrest! Does around a 158 in the kick.

Nice scores!

I am eager to hear more about the ZCON design when it is posted.

[ssh 924]

Will did a 57 and change this past weekend I think, and has been doing consistent 56's with well less then 12k watts.

Will did a 57 and change this past weekend I think, and has been doing consistent 56's with well less then 12k watts.

Will did a 57 and change this past weekend I think, and has been doing consistent 56's with well less then 12k watts.

@ the headrest! Does around a 158 in the kick.

Nice scores!

I am eager to hear more about the ZCON design when it is posted.

I was at the show, heard Wills truck and an escalade with 2 18 L7s (whatever top square driver kicker makes), two warhorses, and four 300a DC alts. (install and everything was sick too)

Wills truck was a lot louder, obviously has more cone area, but it was the loudest...

[Sencheezy 689]

Damn EDub, Wash the sand out your Va-jayjay Bro.

lol

Still undecided between 2 of these, 1 aa smd, or another xcon to total 3

Lets say you would have 5k rms, I think you would be better with 2 Z's. Just my .02

[Sir-Lancelot 216]

That is a lame response Lance. If you are going to rep SSA and be part of Team SSA I would think you should respond with a little more intelligence and dignity.

BTW tell us how many deebeez (4) 18" ZCON and +12,000wrms produces. Should be high 150's ATLEAST imo.

Get over it. You were trolling and you know it man. I have no personal issue with you and I think/hope you know that, but I will call it like I see it.

Ask anyone who has sat in my truck if it's loud. That was my goal what people thought when they are it in, not TL numbers. I have no desire to play test tones for 5 seconds. Yawn. I want to play low and loud.

Highest to date is 53.9 @ 36hz sealed up on windshield playing music. Could be better clearly, but that's not the subs fault or SSA's fault, just my own problems right now unfortunately. Once I correct the voltage fluctuation issues I have and can hold anything remotely resembling steady, I think it will make a move on up there closer to my goal. Hell, I actually went down over a DB when I added 2 more alts, so there is lots of room for improvement. lol Just one of those strange deals that's kicking my ass right now.

My goal is to play loud and low on music that sounds really damn good with a 154/55 average for 30 seconds sealed up. I will always have a set up that plays good music first and gets loud second, so you wont ever see huge numbers from me or any of my set ups. If you want to see higher numbers look at the other two guys running these subs and burping off test tones, That should tell you what they can do if that's your goal. As for my personal goal, I will get there soon enough with what I have now and some time. Hell there are plenty of set ups SSA and others that can get stupid loud, I want to be different and sound excellent doing so. That's me and I am okay with that.

As for specs,

I would like to see TS specs too so I can test out new boxes, but I cant get SSA to share those with me either. I will get them when they are good and ready for me to see them, but crying like a little girl about things you have no control over proves what exactly?? Nothing, other than that little girl part. It's SSA's project and it's their company so you get info when they want you to have it. One of the perks of being the owner. I am ok with that personally as at least when SSA gives out info, you know it came from an excellent source with proper equipment to test.

[edouble101 314]

That is a lame response Lance. If you are going to rep SSA and be part of Team SSA I would think you should respond with a little more intelligence and dignity.

BTW tell us how many deebeez (4) 18" ZCON and +12,000wrms produces. Should be high 150's ATLEAST imo.

I regretfully have taken this thread off topic. And I do apologize. This will be my last post in this thread.

Get over it. You were trolling and you know it man. I have no personal issue with you and I think/hope you know that, but I will call it like I see it.

Like I said, if you dont like my posts tough shit OR simply ignore my posts

Ask anyone who has sat in my truck if it's loud. That was my goal what people thought when they are it in, not TL numbers. I have no desire to play test tones for 5 seconds. Yawn. I want to play low and loud.

Highest to date is 53.9 @ 36hz sealed up on windshield playing music. Could be better clearly, but that's not the subs fault or SSA's fault, just my own problems right now unfortunately. Once I correct the voltage fluctuation issues I have and can hold anything remotely resembling steady, I think it will make a move on up there closer to my goal. Hell, I actually went down over a DB when I added 2 more alts, so there is lots of room for improvement. lol Just one of those strange deals that's kicking my ass right now.

My goal is to play loud and low on music that sounds really damn good with a 154/55 average for 30 seconds sealed up. I will always have a set up that plays good music first and gets loud second, so you wont ever see huge numbers from me or any of my set ups. If you want to see higher numbers look at the other two guys running these subs and burping off test tones, That should tell you what they can do if that's your goal. As for my personal goal, I will get there soon enough with what I have now and some time. Hell there are plenty of set ups SSA and others that can get stupid loud, I want to be different and sound excellent doing so. That's me and I am okay with that.

It is your vehicle. Whatever floats your but bud.

As for specs,

I would like to see TS specs too so I can test out new boxes, but I cant get SSA to share those with me either. I will get them when they are good and ready for me to see them, but crying like a little girl about things you have no control over proves what exactly?? Nothing, other than that little girl part. It's SSA's project and it's their company so you get info when they want you to have it. One of the perks of being the owner. I am ok with that personally as at least when SSA gives out info, you know it came from an excellent source with proper equipment to test.

I am not bugging about t/s specs. denim responded and cleared that up to me weeks ago. I admit to being very eager and antsy to wanting to know more about the ZCON. I do not understand the politics of not releasing tid bits of info such as some details of motor design or atleast differences between ZCON and XCON design. denim is remaining quiet and he gave his reasons why. I get it. I got it. I understand. And I am also choosing to buy products from another manufacturer that does develop their own product and is eager to release info. That is my viewpoint on this topic, my opinion. You don't like it then maybe you need to get your panties out of your ass.

[ford302redneck 15]

I rather let two guys with well over 10 years of designing and building speakers/subs, than a company who release info every week about updating their design but doesn't actually touch the sub.

SSA's buildhouse can actually design a speaKer, go out to the machine shop and build a prototype. Then can test it fairly quickly and see what needs to be changed.

With other companies, they design the speaker on a computer, then has to wait a few months to receive a proto. So they end up talking instead of testing.

Your arguments are pointless, and your just trying to find any reason to talk shit.

[imsolost7886 1]

eDUB, why not be a bit more positive with your posts? no matter the opinion, you can post them in a more intelligent manor that is less offensive....calling somebody a fanboy is a joke at best, you're over on the sundown forum praising them, cause what? u got to see some t/s specs....wow...jacob runs his company a bit differently, thats all. i like both....ill run whatever my ears enjoy...i plan on owning a sundown sub someday to compare with the xcon 18 ill be installing here shortly. but this crap is pointless and should stop, i dont enjoy calling anyone out but come on man. either be more polite about stuff or just stay out of it.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Someone mentioned the fact of different styles of running a brand. Much of how we do things is based largely on the size of our brand. We are not moving thousands or even hundreds of sub woofers, not even close. We are a boutique brand, in that our drivers are built to order here in the USA. In product development, we are pretty slow, and spend more time with the design/prototypes before releasing them then most. This is because we built for long life cycles of our products. The Icon has been holding strong for a long time with only subtle changes and updates since 2007. It is now going through its first major design change.

[ulrisa 26]

SSA FTW! I have NEVER dealt with a better company as far as customer service goes. That in itself would make me consider paying a little extra. SSA's subwoofers fill the gap between high SPL woofers and SQ woofers. I think the numbers that any of their woofers put up are quite impressive for the way they sound. I realize that there are other subwoofers that sound good and get loud, but I think Mark and Aaron put a lot of time testing both SPL and SQ of each of their woofers to make sure that they pass their own standards. This says a lot to me about how they run their company and it makes me want to keep coming back. They are very involved with their products, even though they may not design them.

I respect your opinion edub, but I can't seem to wrap my head around why you would come on to the company's forum and subsection just to bash a new woofer you have no experience with. I hope you find what you are looking for somewhere else.

Looking forward to the release of the Zcon's, hope they don't suck me in lol.

[Julian 641]

You honestly believe every company designs their woofer? You'd be quite surprised... Fi oems a lot of other companies woofers too.

Back on topic

Can't wait to hear some details!

[Notorious97200 339]

How old are you edub ?

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

I am pretty upfront about everything, as with most every aspect of my life, if there is someone else substantially better at or with superior knowledge and expertise, I will go to them and learn from them. There is a good deal of work on both sides of the equation, and numerous meetings (both in person and over the phone) when working together on a new model. Mark and I don't pretend to be all knowing in the world of driver design, but we know our drivers.

[ford302redneck 15]

You honestly believe every company designs their woofer? You'd be quite surprised... Fi oems a lot of other companies woofers too.

Back on topic

Can't wait to hear some details!

This was about to be my next post.

He just knows of one company who posts details about them designing subs, so he thinks they all do but SSA.

In my other post, I didn't mean SSA didn't have nothing to do with the designing part, just meant they didn't souly design it for various reasons. Which I can understand(and most others can too).

Ignorance will always reign, no matter how much information you put in front of them. :facepalm:

[Angelboy863 21]

[Infinite913 381]

ok wish I would of seen this a bit sooner but here is my take on this! those who OWN ZCONS raise your hand! The zcon is by far the biggest output driver I have experienced while still keeping its CLARITY! I have 2 18" Zcons and did a 156.7 at 27hz in a street box of 6k! Edub to slam on LANCE about a DB score is not even what this is about! your opinion is your opinion but how can you have one with a sub you have no experience with? the sub doesnt have an official release date so why would they be concerned on releasing T/S?

Also before you get into what subs have you heard and compared to blah blah blah! I have been to multiple comps and heard vehicles that do 60+ and 55+ on music! Some were able to keep there clarity but not many! The ZCON is going to be EPIC when it is released and if my van wasnt so damn loud and the cops knew my van then I would have up more vids!

IMO wait for the ZCON if you can afford it and afford the power it wants because these are BEASTS of SUBS!

MARK AND AARON both trusted in me as a person to ABUSE and USE this sub and I did just that! I set my personal best with a 56 below 30hz As well as did a NOOB mistake and hooked up one coil and gave it about 6k for a week straight and this sub took the ABUSE!

MARK AND AARON: you guys have taken very good care of me and because of it you have a driving, walking, talking BILLBOARD and ADVERTISEMENT! you also have a dedicated LOYAL customer FOR LIFE! SSA FTW FTR SSA IS KING SHIZZZZZZZZZZ